C2C 387s

[Ant1966]

Hi guys. Anyone know what's happened to these, checking on RTT their usual 'P' headcode diagrams were worked by 3 x 357 today?

 

[Wolfie]

Hi guys. Anyone know what's happened to these, checking on RTT their usual 'P' headcode diagrams were worked by 3 x 357 today?

Some, if not all, are on loan to GWR to cover for broken class 800s.

 

[43096]

Some, if not all, are on loan to GWR to cover for broken class 800s.

Only three sets are sub-leased to GWR (387301/302/306), the other three are still with c2c.

 

[Ant1966]

Thanks Wolfie. I thought 387301/2/6 were at GWR and the other 3 still at C2C for that one am and one pm peak turn?

 

[CR165022]

3 are still with c2c, but were probably just swapped today

 

[Wolfie]

Only three sets are sub-leased to GWR (387301/302/306), the other three are still with c2c.

TY

 

[47444]

Only three sets are sub-leased to GWR (387301/302/306), the other three are still with c2c.

Are these three sets still with GW or have they returned to c2c?

 

[43096]

Are these three sets still with GW or have they returned to c2c?

They are now directly leased to GWR (ie no longer sub-leased from c2c).

 

[swt_passenger]

Are these three sets still with GW or have they returned to c2c?

Still with GWR. Details of their recent workings were in the thread about the loan of GTR or GatEx 387s to GW, which became a bit of a catch all discussion for all the loan units. There’s also news from last weekend here:

GWR 387 diagrams

Hi, any idea please of standard Saturday diagrams for when GTR + C2C 387s can appear on GWR services, or just random allocations on the day? Cheers :)

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[47444]

Still with GWR. Details of their recent workings were in the thread about the loan of GTR or GatEx 387s to GW, which became a bit of a catch all discussion for all the loan units. There’s also news from last weekend here:

GWR 387 diagrams

Hi, any idea please of standard Saturday diagrams for when GTR + C2C 387s can appear on GWR services, or just random allocations on the day? Cheers :)

www.railforums.co.uk

Thank you

 

[pdeaves]

They are now directly leased to GWR (ie no longer sub-leased from c2c).

And at least one has had a rebrand (not full green 'paint', just logos).

 

[fgwrich]

And at least one has had a rebrand (not full green 'paint', just logos).

Presumably 306, as that one has been running around de-branded for a short while this year (i.e no C2C or Trenitalia logos).

 

[CR165022]

Presumably 306, as that one has been running around de-branded for a short while this year (i.e no C2C or Trenitalia logos).

302 (not my pics)

 

[northernbelle]

Apologies if covered elsewhere, but the operating notice restricting GWR's ex-C2C 387s to work alone has now been removed and the trio are now interworking fully with GWR's green units. Pic at Reading this evening.

 

[fgwrich]

Apologies if covered elsewhere, but the operating notice restricting GWR's ex-C2C 387s to work alone has now been removed and the trio are now interworking fully with GWR's green units. Pic at Reading this evening.

Indeed, That'll be 387302 + 387150 which have been working together on the Didcot services today. 387301 + 387155 are also out and about on the same services, with 302 at the Didcot end and 301 on the London end.

 

[aleggatta]

presumably the PIBS system has been changed to the 'standard' 387 model now. Does anyone know if the pantographs have been changed on these units also? (As far as I know these are the only two differences that the /3 subclass had)

 

[fgwrich]

presumably the PIBS system has been changed to the 'standard' 387 model now. Does anyone know if the pantographs have been changed on these units also? (As far as I know these are the only two differences that the /3 subclass had)

Pantographs were one of the first things to be changed - it was mentioned in one of the other threads that they were changed when they arrived at Reading.

 

[D365]

presumably the PIBS system has been changed to the 'standard' 387 model now. Does anyone know if the pantographs have been changed on these units also? (As far as I know these are the only two differences that the /3 subclass had)

Please define ”PIBS”.

 

[aleggatta]

Please define ”PIBS”.

Apologies, I believe the definition is 'Platform Identification Beacon System' - The system that detects the platform the train has entered, how long it is, how many doors to open and (optionally) CSDE - Correct Side Door Enable - to try and reduce wrong side door releases. The original TL 387/1's and /2's had Tracklink II, but I don't know if the later batch of /1's for GW had Tracklink 2 or 3 fitted. The /3's were fitted with the same system as the class 357, but do not know what this system is.

 

[northernbelle]

Apologies, I believe the definition is 'Platform Identification Beacon System' - The system that detects the platform the train has entered, how long it is, how many doors to open and (optionally) CSDE - Correct Side Door Enable - to try and reduce wrong side door releases. The original TL 387/1's and /2's had Tracklink II, but I don't know if the later batch of /1's for GW had Tracklink 2 or 3 fitted. The /3's were fitted with the same system as the class 357, but do not know what this system is.

Indeed. The 387/3s at GWR have now had Tracklink 3 installed as per the GWR 387/1s.

 

[Benno]

The DFT have announced today that Go-ahead have been awarded the contract to operate GTR for six years (three years with a three year option). As part of that contract all six 387/3s will transfer to GTR when their leases expire at the end of June.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

The DFT have announced today that Go-ahead have been awarded the contract to operate GTR for six years (three years with a three year option). As part of that contract all six 387/3s will transfer to GTR when their leases expire at the end of June.

I assume to be used on Southern and not on Great Northern or Gatwick Express, considering the removal of 455s?

 

[Benno]

I assume to be used on Southern and not on Great Northern or Gatwick Express, considering the removal of 455s?

I presume it will be for the Southern / GX side of operations and they will run alongside the other 387/2s. There is still the rumour that 379s will replace 387/1s on the Great Northern routes, but nobody I spoke to at Hornsey a couple of weeks ago are aware it is going to happen. That doesn't mean it won't happen of course.

 

[bramling]

I presume it will be for the Southern / GX side of operations and they will run alongside the other 387/2s. There is still the rumour that 379s will replace 387/1s on the Great Northern routes, but nobody I spoke to at Hornsey a couple of weeks ago are aware it is going to happen. That doesn't mean it won't happen of course.

Could just as easily be for GN - I seem to remember a figure of 35 for the GN's 387 requirement, which would in turns allow 387/2s to return south of the river.

This still leaves GN minus 13 units versus the original May 18 allocations.

Whether at some point something happens in respect of the 379s remains to be seen, but the considerable chatter which was happening about the 379s a few weeks ago seems to have muted somewhat. Whether this is DFT playing hardball with their owners, can't agree on leasing charges, or simply more cost-cutting, will no doubt become clear in due course. With the 365s now off the scene, the 379's owners will be very aware that if extra stock is required then 379s are more or less the only game in town.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I presume it will be for the Southern / GX side of operations and they will run alongside the other 387/2s. There is still the rumour that 379s will replace 387/1s on the Great Northern routes, but nobody I spoke to at Hornsey a couple of weeks ago are aware it is going to happen. That doesn't mean it won't happen of course.

If they reserve 33x Class 387s for a 2tph Gatwick Express service to Brighton, requiring only ten units for pairs or fifteen for trios, that will be a farce considering how stretched the 377s are going to be come May.

 

[Minstral25]

Suspect it will be back to 27 Red ones south of the River (as has been GatEx requirements in May 18) and 35 white ones to the north.

377's are going to be running a lot of 5 car services to cover for withdrawn 455's

 

[Class 170101]

Not sure the Class 387s ex c2c had 3rd Rail installed so would have to stay north side with Class 387/2s (Gat Ex) going back south.

 

[fgwrich]

Not sure the Class 387s ex c2c had 3rd Rail installed so would have to stay north side with Class 387/2s (Gat Ex) going back south.

I'm not sure how many have been south of the river, but they were certainly built with shoes fitted. Indeed 305 & 306 have been on the juice rail as such, working a Bletchey to Bletchey via Clapham Junction, Lovers Walk and Brighton during mileage accumulation.

387305 : Clapham Junction

c2c Class 387 unit No. 387305 arrives at Clapham Junction at the rear of the 08:36 Bletchley T.M.D. to Bletchley T.M.D. test run

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387306 : Clapham Junction

c2c Class 387 unit No. 387306 approaches Clapham Junction working the 08:36 Bletchley T.M.D. to Bletchley T.M.D. test run

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c2c 387301

Newbury Racecourse station, Newbury

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[Bessie]

Does this mean the 3 387/3s GWR have and which were recently modified to run with the rest of their fleet will now be moving to the GN in June?

 

[Mag_seven]

387306 currently paired with 387151 on 2Z32 09.15 Didcot Paddington.