C2C 387s

[swt_passenger]

Not sure the Class 387s ex c2c had 3rd Rail installed so would have to stay north side with Class 387/2s (Gat Ex) going back south.

They do still have shoe gear. I found a video showing it here, there’s a reasonable view of 387306 passing through a station slowly from about 2m 20s to the end.

 

[Jturner98]

All the /3 have shoe gear they are just permanently in the raised position as the air to them is disconnected. When new all were tested on third rail. It was part of the commissioning process that we done on them.

 

[43102EMR]

The DFT have announced today that Go-ahead have been awarded the contract to operate GTR for six years (three years with a three year option). As part of that contract all six 387/3s will transfer to GTR when their leases expire at the end of June.

Do you have a link for this? Can’t seem to see anything confirming this

 

[Class455]

Do you have a link for this? Can’t seem to see anything confirming this

It does seem plausible though, considering they would be like for like replacements for the 6 387/2's which will return south eventually.

 

[D365]

Does this mean the 3 387/3s GWR have and which were recently modified to run with the rest of their fleet will now be moving to the GN in June?

One would hope that the /3s were made compatible with the GN /1s also.

 

[Benno]

Do you have a link for this? Can’t seem to see anything confirming this

Announced internally at work and also:

Go-Ahead group awarded GTR British national rail contract

The DfT has awarded the Go-Ahead Group a national rail contract to continue operating Thameslink, Southern and Great Northern rail services.

www.railjournal.com

 

[43102EMR]

It does seem plausible though, considering they would be like for like replacements for the 6 387/2's which will return south eventually.

Maybe so, but would like to see something given I can’t seem to find anything confirming it…

 

[Benno]

Not sure the Class 387s ex c2c had 3rd Rail installed so would have to stay north side with Class 387/2s (Gat Ex) going back south.

They have the shoes and all DC equipment fitted but like the 387/1s have the DC fuses removed as they are not (currently) used on third rail.

 

[43102EMR]

Announced internally at work and also:

Go-Ahead group awarded GTR British national rail contract

The DfT has awarded the Go-Ahead Group a national rail contract to continue operating Thameslink, Southern and Great Northern rail services.

www.railjournal.com

Yep I know about the DfT direct award, but can’t see anything on the c2c 387s?

 

[swt_passenger]

Yep I know about the DfT direct award, but can’t see anything on the c2c 387s?

I think what is being implied is that the internal version of the contract announcement must include far more detail, but as you say, linking to public versions of the contract award PR tells us nothing about rolling stock.

 

[Snow1964]

I think what is being implied is that the internal version of the contract announcement must include far more detail, but as you say, linking to public versions of the contract award PR tells us nothing about rolling stock.

There will be a full version of the contract, which is few hundred pages long, in legal format with every section and sub-section numbered.

The DfT usually posts this on its website (although usually nearer 4-6 months after they are announced). The contracts for all the Operators are similar format with different specs, and one part lists the rolling stock requirement, and another lists frequency for each line etc.

They are not always accurate (or perhaps variations are made, that don’t get added to the public version), as an example I think the GWR one shows they must serve Reading Green Park 3 times an hour from 2020

 

[aleggatta]

They have the shoes and all DC equipment fitted but like the 387/1s have the DC fuses removed as they are not (currently) used on third rail.

Please can you source this? Is it a GW policy? The GN /1’s are able to routinely go south for maintenance, so can’t honestly see them having fuses removed

 

[swt_passenger]

There will be a full version of the contract, which is few hundred pages long, in legal format with every section and sub-section numbered.

The DfT usually posts this on its website (although usually nearer 4-6 months after they are announced). The contracts for all the Operators are similar format with different specs, and one part lists the rolling stock requirement, and another lists frequency for each line etc.

They are not always accurate (or perhaps variations are made, that don’t get added to the public version), as an example I think the GWR one shows they must serve

That’s exactly what I was meaning, I’m familiar with the DfT online versions (generally significantly redacted) and the usual time lags. It seems to me that some forum members expect that level of detail to be in the public domain the day the decision is announced, and it never happens like that.

 

[Benno]

Please can you source this? Is it a GW policy? The GN /1’s are able to routinely go south for maintenance, so can’t honestly see them having fuses removed

The source for the 387/1s are the Hornsey depot staff who I were speaking to last week. The third rail DC equipment is isolated due to it not being used. That doesn’t mean it cannot be reinstated when there is a need to run South of the river.

 

[aleggatta]

The source for the 387/1s are the Hornsey depot staff who I were speaking to last week. The third rail DC equipment is isolated due to it not being used. That doesn’t mean it cannot be reinstated when there is a need to run South of the river.

Oh I’m aware it can be reinstated easily, just seems a completely pointless exercise to disable something that doesn’t do any harm just sitting there, when the /2’s first came to Brighton we didn’t isolate the AC gear for the sake of it as there really wasn’t any point.

 

[ashkeba]

Oh I’m aware it can be reinstated easily, just seems a completely pointless exercise to disable something that doesn’t do any harm just sitting there, when the /2’s first came to Brighton we didn’t isolate the AC gear for the sake of it as there really wasn’t any point.

The GN removed the DC gear from the 365s for some reason. Different habits?

 

[Carlisle]

The GN removed the DC gear from the 365s for some reason. Different habits?

These kinda things are nothing new, BR removed ETH Jumper cables from its Departmental loco fleet

 

[MCR247]

The GN removed the DC gear from the 365s for some reason. Different habits?

Weren’t 365s different in that they weren’t truly dual voltage in that they had to be converted between AC and DC operation?

 

[Mollman]

That’s exactly what I was meaning, I’m familiar with the DfT online versions (generally significantly redacted) and the usual time lags. It seems to me that some forum members expect that level of detail to be in the public domain the day the decision is announced, and it never happens like that.

To be fair, most of the time the summary announcement includes details of key rolling stock changes etc.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Perhaps the OP would consider changing the thread title to Ex-c2c 387s, to avoid confusion? Considering three have left for good and the other three are not used, and the thread is about their life beyond c2c anyway.

 

[YSTrains]

From Instagram, someone has confirmed that the 387s are back in service (for now)

 

[Benno]

From Instagram, someone has confirmed that the 387s are back in service (for now)

387303, 304 & 305 all coupled together working 07:02 Shoeburyness - Fenchurch Street and 17:43 Fenchurch Street - Shoeburyness today

 

[Jturner98]

387303, 304 & 305 all coupled together working 07:02 Shoeburyness - Fenchurch Street and 17:43 Fenchurch Street - Shoeburyness today

I remember when they were introduced they exclusively worked as a 12 carriage train. A proper pain if you left a spanner down the other end.

 

[Fred43123]

Yes the 387s are back in service temporary due to several 357s out of traffic/having repairs.

 

[Matt1981]

Has the 387 use by C2C ended again? Images for the 07.02 Shoeburyness - Fenchurch Street on real-time trains last week showed 3x387s, but this week shows as 3x357s. Shame as I was hoping to see them on Friday

 

[Dstock7080]

305+304+303 running yesterday

 

[Fincra5]

The source for the 387/1s are the Hornsey depot staff who I were speaking to last week. The third rail DC equipment is isolated due to it not being used. That doesn’t mean it cannot be reinstated when there is a need to run South of the river.

GN 387/1s still have all the Shoe Gear, Fuses etc... I was teaching Traction on one today!

 

[Wolfie]

GN 387/1s still have all the Shoe Gear, Fuses etc... I was teaching Traction on one today!

That's a pretty definitive source lol...

 

[Dstock7080]

304+303 running as 8-car on 0702 ex- Shoeburyness this morning

 

[43102EMR]

304+303 running as 8-car on 0702 ex- Shoeburyness this morning

Was the same yesterday too - can imagine 305’s at East Ham or Shoeburyness for maintenance or on standby.