C2C 387s

[Jim]

Sorry if I've missed something, what's the score with these now as appears none have worked since the TT change?

 

[43102EMR]

Sorry if I've missed something, what's the score with these now as appears none have worked since the TT change?

Apparently they’re on course for a move to GTR next month - hearing a lot of conflicting things about the 3 with GWR though as to whether they’re going or staying put.

 

[Class 466]

Apparently they’re on course for a move to GTR next month - hearing a lot of conflicting things about the 3 with GWR though as to whether they’re going or staying put.

Led to believe they’ll go to GTR as well to allow the red 387s to come back south of the river.

 

[43102EMR]

Led to believe they’ll go to GTR as well to allow the red 387s to come back south of the river.

Many GWR staff are saying they’re staying put - guess we’ll have to wait and see if/when the transfer happens.

 

[Dstock7080]

303+304 as 8-car back on 0702 ex-Shoeburyness today

 

[MK Tom]

What evening diagrams are they likely to be on?

 

[Julian G]

What evening diagrams are they likely to be on?

17:43 Fenchurch St-Shoeburyness only.

 

[MK Tom]

Thank you!!

Photoed the empty stock working for the 17:43 passing Limehouse at 17:30 on Thursday. Thanks again for the help:

More here: https://mkttransportphoto.smugmug.com/2022/May-2022/UK-Rail-May-2022/i-7hn4v2R

 

[43102EMR]

Just saw on Twitter that 387301 and 302 are now debranded of their temporary GWR logos (albeit with the Trenitalia logos still on them). Can imagine it’s not long until their transfer happens then?

 

[357]

I've heard the 387s are off lease from c2c next Thursday.

 

[FGW_DID]

Ex-C2C 387s 387301, 302 & 306 are due to depart GWR next Tuesday 28/06.

5Q45 Reading TCD - Peterborough Nean Sidings.

 

[365 Networker]

Ex-C2C 387s 387301, 302 & 306 are due to depart GWR next Tuesday 28/06.

5Q45 Reading TCD - Peterborough Nean Sidings.

Does this mean Great Northern will be taking them?

 

[JonathanH]

Does this mean Great Northern will be taking them?

Looks like it, allowing six red 387s to return to Southern / Gatwick Express.

 

[Class 466]

Looks like it, allowing six red 387s to return to Southern / Gatwick Express.

Last I heard it wasn't that straightforward.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Last I heard it wasn't that straightforward.

Can you possibly expand on that please?

 

[DanNCL]

Can you possibly expand on that please?

My understanding is that it isn’t clear how many 387s will move south, nor if it’ll only be red ones that move.

 

[JonathanH]

My understanding is that it isn’t clear how many 387s will move south, nor if it’ll only be red ones that move.

Isn't it established that 35 units is the number needed on the GN to operate the current services (unless a few 717s can be freed up to operate longer distance services)?

 

[43102EMR]

My understanding is that it isn’t clear how many 387s will move south, nor if it’ll only be red ones that move.

I mean considering it was the red ones that moved up in the first place over a year ago, surely it would make the most sense for those to be the ones that return to GatEx no?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I mean considering it was the red ones that moved up in the first place over a year ago, surely it would make the most sense for those to be the ones that return to GatEx no?

Yes but bar the odd peak Peterborough, they only really work Kings Cross Ely Kings Lynn. Particularly with the 455s gone, it may be that a few extras join the red ones in going to Southern as a matter of being needed more.

 

[DanNCL]

I mean considering it was the red ones that moved up in the first place over a year ago, surely it would make the most sense for those to be the ones that return to GatEx no?

That would make sense, which is why it probably won’t happen!

 

[43102EMR]

That would make sense, which is why it probably won’t happen!

Exactly… after all this is the DfT we’re talking about here!

Yes but bar the odd peak Peterborough, they only really work Kings Cross Ely Kings Lynn. Particularly with the 455s gone, it may be that a few extras join the red ones in going to Southern as a matter of being needed more.

If anything it’ll most likely be a few /1s given they’ve had more experience on third rail than the /3s - will be interesting to see what happens though.

 

[penguin8967]

Any idea if the /3s will be out on the GWR network on monday or will they be at Reading being prepared for the move?

 

[Class 466]

Last I heard it was 387/3s to SN as the three units on c2c at least don't have the more advanced ASDO fitted still so would end up on restricted diagrams on the GN whereas they can run as 4s on the East Coastway replacing the 387/2s that work on there currently.

 

[aleggatta]

Last I heard it was 387/3s to SN as the three units on c2c at least don't have the more advanced ASDO fitted still so would end up on restricted diagrams on the GN whereas they can run as 4s on the East Coastway replacing the 387/2s that work on there currently.

I think the three that went to GW have had the relevant mods to the SDO system (PIBS beacon) and are effectively 'standard 387s', obviously the three that remain with C2C still need these mods, but they aren't unexpected mods and would be incorporated into the other mods to make them compatible with the other fleets that they are expected to work with (i.e. Database updates etc). Fitment of the beacon is quite straightforward, with a simple bracket and multi-pin plug and reprogramming a module in the PTOSL, I would imagine less than a shifts work to do all the relevant mods to make one of these units ready for service, and there would be little point in putting them out before these mods had taken place.

 

[FGW_DID]

Any idea if the /3s will be out on the GWR network on monday or will they be at Reading being prepared for the move?

They‘ll be on Reading TCD from Saturday. They won’t be out in traffic after that until they leave.

 

[fgwrich]

They‘ll be on Reading TCD from Saturday. They won’t be out in traffic after that until they leave.

Purely out of interest, will the GWR fitted BW higher speed pantographs remain with the units or remain at Reading as spares for the main fleet?

 

[FGW_DID]

Purely out of interest, will the GWR fitted BW higher speed pantographs remain with the units or remain at Reading as spares for the main fleet?

To be honest, I don’t know. As far as I’m aware the only work done prior to hand back is the removal of the GWR decals. I’ve not seen anything mentioned about the removal of the Pantographs.

 

[3973EXL]

Ex-C2C 387s 387301, 302 & 306 are due to depart GWR next Tuesday 28/06.

5Q45 Reading TCD - Peterborough Nean Sidings.

STP 28/06 0940 Wembley HS - Reading Traincare Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R00656/2022-06-28/detailed

5Q45 1341 Reading Traincare Depot - Peterborough Nean CHS
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03734/2022-06-28/detailed

1758 Peterborough Nean CHS - Wembley HS
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R00711/2022-06-28/detailed

 

[43102EMR]

Apparently these will enter service with Southern and the moves to Peterborough are to temporarily store them until they re-enter service at the September TTC.

 

[JonathanH]

Apparently these will enter service with Southern and the moves to Peterborough are to temporarily store them until they re-enter service at the September TTC.

Southern? Posting elsewhere suggests they go to Hornsey first. I note the conversation above and post from 'Class 466' indicates that it isn't necessarily the six 387/2s on the GN that go south and does corroborate the Southern idea. Ultimately the point appears to be that Southern gets six 387s of some sort that can help with stock pressures.