C2C 387s

[Fincra5]

They can do 110mph with the right PAN but GN only do 100mph for 387s etc.

 

[43102EMR]

303 and 304 out today on the usual diagrams, last one should be the 17:43 to Shoeburyness from FST, provided it doesn’t get cancelled again.

 

[357]

303 and 304 out today on the usual diagrams, last one should be the 17:43 to Shoeburyness from FST, provided it doesn’t get cancelled again.

It was a traincrew issue yesterday, the units are OK

 

[Jturner98]

Is it the pantograph though or is it just the pantograph head which is changed? Would of thought it would of been just the head changed to be honest

 

[43102EMR]

It was a traincrew issue yesterday, the units are OK

Indeed - scheduled as planned for today then I’m assuming?

 

[Jim]

Indeed - scheduled as planned for today then I’m assuming?

303 304 currently allocated up to 5P98 for 1P86

 

[aleggatta]

Is it the pantograph though or is it just the pantograph head which is changed? Would of thought it would of been just the head changed to be honest

its the whole pantograph, as a fitter (at least for me) when we talked about changing pantograph heads it generally only involved the carbons, whilst not technically correct. The pantographs that were fitted were the same type as the 357 so wouldn't have all the high speed design characteristics as the 387 pan does in the whole pan structure. The main visual differences are the large arc horns on the outside of the pan head, and this is part of the main structure of the pan head.

Also, to change a pantograph over, generally only requires the undoing of 4 bolts, an air line and an electrical connection and lifting off with a crane, to do a more complicated rebuild of the pan on the unit would take longer and leave a unit out of service for longer.

 

[43102EMR]

It’s running - just passed me at Barking. 303 and 304 again today

 

[Skimble19]

I can only assume, but have also heard they might be used with Southern - aim for entry is the September TTC once pantograph changes/tracklink software has been implemented to the 3 with c2c.

Today’s 1P86 working cancelled due to “a problem currently under investigation”

The current plan is for the 6 /3s to stay with GN, releasing GX /2s to move back south.

 

[YSTrains]

Some are arguing that they won't be heading for Great Northern. Some are however. For those who are saying they could head for Southern, we will have to see if the shoe gears can still be used.

 

[43102EMR]

Some are arguing that they won't be heading for Great Northern. Some are however. For those who are saying they could head for Southern, we will have to see if the shoe gears can still be used.

It’s a similar scenario to the GX 387s (albeit the other way round) - not used the equipment for 5-6 years but as they’ve done FFR/testing on them, still able to be used.

The current plan is for the 6 /3s to stay with GN, releasing GX /2s to move back south.

That’s the move that makes the most sense; but I think even the GTR staff are conflicted as to where they’ll end up.

 

[Dstock7080]

07.02 ex-Shoeburyness and 08.11 Pitsea 8-car 357 today

 

[Class455]

Some are arguing that they won't be heading for Great Northern. Some are however. For those who are saying they could head for Southern, we will have to see if the shoe gears can still be used.

As @Skimble19 points out, the 387/3’s are going to Great Northern to send the 387/2’s back to Gatwick Express and will not be going to Southern. Who knows if they’ll eventually end up though depending on what happens with the GWR 387 tender which closed yesterday.

 

[Fincra5]

As @Skimble19 points out, the 387/3’s are going to Great Northern to send the 387/2’s back to Gatwick Express and will not be going to Southern. Who knows if they’ll eventually end up though depending on what happens with the GWR 387 tender which closed yesterday.

As it stands they are for GN to allow the 6 GX units to go back South....

 

[Class455]

As it stands they are for GN to allow the 6 GX units to go back South....

I meant the 387/3’s will not be going to Southern

 

[Jturner98]

Yea

its the whole pantograph, as a fitter (at least for me) when we talked about changing pantograph heads it generally only involved the carbons, whilst not technically correct. The pantographs that were fitted were the same type as the 357 so wouldn't have all the high speed design characteristics as the 387 pan does in the whole pan structure. The main visual differences are the large arc horns on the outside of the pan head, and this is part of the main structure of the pan head.

Also, to change a pantograph over, generally only requires the undoing of 4 bolts, an air line and an electrical connection and lifting off with a crane, to do a more complicated rebuild of the pan on the unit would take longer and leave a unit out of service for longer.

Yeah changing a pantograph is easy. I’ve changed a few on the 378s

Some are arguing that they won't be heading for Great Northern. Some are however. For those who are saying they could head for Southern, we will have to see if the shoe gears can still be used.

Shoes are still able to be used. Part of the exam regime is that they have to be inspected. Last time I was there they still had them it’s just the air was disconnected. It will simply be a case of reconnecting the relevant pipe work

 

[357]

Shoes are still able to be used. Part of the exam regime is that they have to be inspected. Last time I was there they still had them it’s just the air was disconnected. It will simply be a case of reconnecting the relevant pipe work

They still have the shoebeam/gear however the actual shoes are disconnected as is the air, not sure what happens if DC select is pressed in the cab!

 

[43102EMR]

Paths are now in for 303-305’s move to Peterborough Nene from Shoeburyness CSD: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K00886/2022-07-01/detailed

Move should be done under their own power.

Departed on time - all 387s have now left c2c.

 

[Fincra5]

They still have the shoebeam/gear however the actual shoes are disconnected as is the air, not sure what happens if DC select is pressed in the cab!

Shoes can be Isolated in the PAN AIR Cupboard. I'd imagine this is where it is done.

 

[Jturner98]

They still have the shoebeam/gear however the actual shoes are disconnected as is the air, not sure what happens if DC select is pressed in the cab!

If dc is selected the button will illuminate in the cab, but when you press shoes down nothing will happen and you’ll get an error message on the HMI screen.

 

[YSTrains]

So will they immediately start operations or will they will be stored at Peterborough?

 

[swt_passenger]

So will they immediately start operations or will they will be stored at Peterborough?

Post #89 suggested they’re to be stored until September.

 

[43102EMR]

Also worth noting that the three that moved today still have their c2c branding on them - surprised it wasn’t removed prior to transfer!

 

[3973EXL]

VSTP 05/07 0V74 0746 Derby RTC - Reading Traincare Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:53669/2022-07-05/detailed

 

[fgwrich]

Also worth noting that the three that moved today still have their c2c branding on them - surprised it wasn’t removed prior to transfer!

At least it won’t take them long to remove though. C2C, Trenitalia and that’s about it. The interiors are largely Southern anyway so will match the 387/1s.

 

[43102EMR]

At least it won’t take them long to remove though. C2C, Trenitalia and that’s about it. The interiors are largely Southern anyway so will match the 387/1s.

Indeed - the cascade seemed to work rather well for GTR from that perspective. Still wonder whether the blue doors will be kept or whether Southern olive will be vinyled to match the /1s? Have to admit, the blue doors suit them better.

 

[youngiecj]

All 3 spotted at Peterborough today, as suggested still with C2C branding.

 

[physics34]

Indeed - the cascade seemed to work rather well for GTR from that perspective. Still wonder whether the blue doors will be kept or whether Southern olive will be vinyled to match the /1s? Have to admit, the blue doors suit them better.

Pretty surprised the green doors havnt been changed themselves, GTR seem to normally be very brand aware.

 

[43102EMR]

Pretty surprised the green doors havnt been changed themselves, GTR seem to normally be very brand aware.

True say, I was expecting them to be changed to the same pastel blue used on the 365s and 700s when their original transfer to GN was announced - guess it comes in handy when unit shuffles need to occur across the GTR brands?

 

[physics34]

True say, I was expecting them to be changed to the same pastel blue used on the 365s and 700s when their original transfer to GN was announced - guess it comes in handy when unit shuffles need to occur across the GTR brands?

Could be true yeh. Maybe thats proof that they were at one point expected to be sent to southern