When Will It All Go Wrong For The Tories/ Johnson?

[Cloud Strife]

BBC reporting the leader of the Scottish conservatives has voted against Boris Johnson.

It's not a surprise. The strength of the Scottish Tories has been in their ability to separate themselves from London, and the last Scottish election showed what happens when the Scottish Tories get too closely linked with the English party. Ruth Davidson's strength came from the fact that she was ideologically clear: she was a Scottish Unionist with views that reflected Scottish society rather than someone like Michael Gove who acts like he wasn't brought up in Aberdeen.

Speaking of Gove, his fake English accent is utterly loathesome.

And I remain worried that this appears to be an *orchestrated* campaign to remove Johnson, the purpose of which is currently unknown - possibly just about power and positioning, but quite possibly a bit more than that. At this point we don't know.

I don't think there's much orchestrated about it. Rather, it's the result of genuine voter anger. The snap polls carried out show that people are furious with Johnson, and the Tories will know that the opposition parties will hammer home the message about "you were locked down while Boris partied", and it will resonate on the doorsteps.

 

[Acfb]

My guess is 195 votes FOR Johnson but we will know soon.

 

[Gloster]

Speaking of Gove, his fake English accent is utterly loathesome.

Which one, his ‘normal’ one or the Harry Enfield scouse one?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Perhaps at the sound of the next Division Bell, a certain someone should remember the following:-

"Ask not for whom the bells tolls, it tolls for thee"

 

[brad465]

No, it isn't about cake.

It is about doing all the things that you are concerned about while he and those around him blatantly flouted those same rules. People died alone and afraid because their families followed those rules. Other people received fines over those rules. People missed out on major life events because they followed those rules. And he didn't just flout those rules, he allowed people around him to break those rules and then he demonstrated ultimate contempt for the people who followed his rules by lying about the fact that he broke them.

He simply is not fit to hold it. Unfortunately, the fact that Tory MPs are largely self-serving will probably be enough to see him cling on for another few months, until the next scandal.

This I think will be the biggest issue going forward as the Privileges Committee are investigating him misleading Parliament, which, if he survives the confidence vote, could see him get suspended from Parliament.

 

[Gloster]

Perhaps at the sound of the next Division Bell, a certain someone should remember the following:-

"Ask not for whom the bells tolls, it tolls for thee"

Maybe Johnson should remember that ‘No man is an island’.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

So, if Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner receive FPNs from Durham plod and pay them, you'd counsel them not to resign as they'd committed no crime?

Starmer will resign he's a man of principles not that will get you elected

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Starmer will resign he's a man of principles not that will get you elected

He will not want to be seen as a man who goes back on his word.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

My guess is 195 votes FOR Johnson but we will know soon.

165 against would be a bad result for anybody except Boris and he will come out with some more fake contrition crap but nothing will change below the surface.

 

[jfollows]

Gossip is long faces from Boris supporters, "the beginning of the end", 130+ against likely, even 180 against not impossible. Only 22 minutes to go .....

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

What were the final odds offered by the bookmaking fraternity before the votes were cast?

 

[Busaholic]

Why do you refer to the Durham Constabulary in such a derogatory way?

Disrespectful, perhaps, derogatory, hardly. Your partisanship knows no bounds. I last voted for Labour in the 1980s.

 

[dosxuk]

I don't think there's much orchestrated about it. Rather, it's the result of genuine voter anger. The snap polls carried out show that people are furious with Johnson, and the Tories will know that the opposition parties will hammer home the message about "you were locked down while Boris partied", and it will resonate on the doorsteps.

There's also a lot of anger from the staff and MPs that have had to carry the can to protect bigdog.

Boris strikes me as possibly the first PM who thinks he can do the job without the support of his party or the civil service.

 

[Gloster]

Some of Johnson’s supporters are supposed to be complaining that some MPs did not tell the truth. This is beyond satire: I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[Busaholic]

Some of Johnson’s supporters are supposed to be complaining that some MPs did not tell the truth. This is beyond satire: I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

All Scottish Tory MPs voted 'no confidence' by their own admission.

148 no confidence votes.

 

[dgl]

Some of Johnson’s supporters are supposed to be complaining that some MPs did not tell the truth. This is beyond satire: I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

What now, a lying politician?, who'd have thought!

 

[GusB]

BBC reporting the leader of the Scottish conservatives has voted against Boris Johnson

It's not a surprise. The strength of the Scottish Tories has been in their ability to separate themselves from London, and the last Scottish election showed what happens when the Scottish Tories get too closely linked with the English party. Ruth Davidson's strength came from the fact that she was ideologically clear: she was a Scottish Unionist with views that reflected Scottish society rather than someone like Michael Gove who acts like he wasn't brought up in Aberdeen.

From what I heard on STV news earlier, Douglas Ross has changed his mind (again) due to significant local sentiment. He will be more mindful of his small majority than the greater good, I suspect.

I do understand this, but there have been other contributors at pains to use the word "crime" on this very thread in their postings that betray their lack of understanding of what a FPN really is. Look back and you will see those very references.

In the name o' the wee man - Johnson broke the law that his government set. He committed a crime under that law and paid a fixed penalty for it. That's the long and the short of it. A speeding offence is still a crime, even though in most cases it would be dealt with by issuing a fixed penalty and the relevant points.

 

[Darandio]

148 against. The (latest) beginning of the end.

 

[Failed Unit]

i guess we are not surprised he won. But are we stuck with him until the election. We will see.

 

[brad465]

211-148 in favour.

This is worse than May's vote.

 

[ld0595]

Only 60% voting they have confidence in him. Boris is a dead man walking I reckon. Hopefully gone in the next few months.

 

[Shrop]

211-148 in favour.

This is worse than May's vote.

That's 41% of his own Party want him out.

 

[Cloud Strife]

This is worse than May's vote.

The worst thing is that he's going to now sit there for 12 months. I don't see what will dislodge him now, he's going to treat 59-41% as a solid victory.

 

[Shrop]

Only 60% voting they have confidence in him. Boris is a dead man walking I reckon. Hopefully gone in the next few months.

60% sounds so much better than 59%, and yet the actual percentage is only 58.77%

 

[py_megapixel]

How there can be 211 people in the whole of this country - let alone 211 people in the Commons - who have any confidence in the man now, I have no idea. But that's a different discussion, I suppose.

But honestly it's the result I wanted. Just enough for him to stay in his position without giving any illusion that he's popular. With any luck, by election time, he'll have had enough time destroy the credibility of the Tory party to a great enough extent that someone actually competent can get in.

 

[Acfb]

So 58.8% for Johnson compared with 63.1% for May. Pretty much nightmare scenario for the Tories and he could still stagger on a few more months, maybe even into 2023.

 

[najaB]

So 58.8% for Johnson compared with 63.1% for May. Pretty much nightmare scenario for the Tories and he could still stagger on a few more months, maybe even into 2023.

Yup. This is about the worst possible outcome for them.

 

[DarloRich]

best possible result: Johnson badly wins but wounded badly. Internecine Tory warfare breaks out and consumes them all. Brilliant.

 

[najaB]

best possible result: Johnson badly wins but wounded badly. Internecine Tory warfare breaks out and consumes them all. Brilliant.

This about sums up the way the voting went:

 

[nw1]

It shows that the majority of the Conservative party is nothing more than a bunch of brown nosers. Sad.