We've discussed those posters quite a few times, and every time it has been pointed out that they're an attempt to suggest that the trains are newer than in fact they are. Of course that doesn't mean that with their eventual refurbishment they won't be a consistent improvement.
They need refurbishing anyway.
Yes, and it is planned - just not as extensive as was originally stated by EMR.
From a maintenance point of view, would it be better to replace the seats with the latest design as being fitted to 810 bimodes.
But a fully refurbished 170 with it's existing seats rebuilt isn't a tatty piece of junk. Yes, the new seats would be ideal but if you need to save money knocking a few thousand seats off the order will help significantly.
That's part of the issue with not replacing the seats I imagine, is that presumably the newer seating would have allowed an increase in density which would have allowed another row of seats or a luggage rack with existing legroom.
The 4 ex-170/4s from Southern will also be added to the mix - then again, they more or less have the same layout as the existing /4s, just with a different interior colour scheme.
To be fair, if they wish to standardise them with the ex ScotRail units, all they have to do is take the Southern covers off - NX ScR is still underneath
<pedant> Although the handrails are painted in Southern colours and they've been recarpeted as well, so not fully standardised </pedant>To be fair, if they wish to standardise them with the ex ScotRail units, all they have to do is take the Southern covers off - NX ScR is still underneath
I mean, in the case of 401 and 402, there would be first class at both ends whereas 201 and 202 only have it at one end.To be fair, if they wish to standardise them with the ex ScotRail units, all they have to do is take the Southern covers off - NX ScR is still underneath
The 171s were built as standard 170s and renumbered post build. As far as I know neither the original batch nor the ex Scottish conversions have a TMS.
I thought the (original) 4-car class 171s were built like that from new; the 2-car ones (and all Scotrail conversions) are renumbered.
A couple of /7s were built as 171s, the remainder converted.
Have you actually measured the luggage area? Because that strikes me as extremely specific
Have you actually measured the luggage area? Because that strikes me as extremely specific
Quick look at Flickr;
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That was taken in 2010, now the seats and carpets are mostly faded and rotten.Quick look at Flickr;
London Midland Class 170/6 Standard class interior - 170631, 04/06/2010
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Can’t find anything for the ex FC on Northerns 170s though, Only a small glimpse on YouTube.
Indeed, but it still shows the seats that the previous person was asking about.
Not quite.
Was more referring to the Lazzerini seats, but wasn’t aware about 397 and 398, thanks!
Curious! Thank you.
Considering the 170 routes don't have reservations I don't see much of an issue with the different layouts. Also EMR have different layouts with the 156's (possibly between the /4 and /9's) and 158's (158889 being ex SWT) already.
I completely agree with you on that; however, given the fact that EMR is getting them (and indeed the 360s) at practically 20 years old, the least it and its passengers deserve is to have the them in an as-new condition with all the expected “mod cons” such as up to date PIS, properly-working Wifi, at seat charging, etc. There can be no compromises on those, especially when we see other TOCs’ seemingly getting refurbishments handed to them on a plate (eg: the XC centre cars, Northern’s fleet, 390s, etc).
Thank you, fgwrichQuick look at Flickr;
London Midland Class 170/6 Standard class interior - 170631, 04/06/2010
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Can’t find anything for the ex FC on Northerns 170s though, Only a small glimpse on YouTube.
There seemed to be a lot of 171s in Selhurst yesterday morning. I did wonder if they were gathering them up ready to move. Not sure if they can do the existing diagrams without them though.
