Avanti West Coast cancellations

[Surreytraveller]

Avanti will reach a new low tomorrow morning on its Liverpool service. It has cancelled 4 trains in a row leaving a 5 hour gap !
The 0847, 0947, 1047 and 1147 are all cancelled.

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I wish people would put the date in the post title rather than just 'tomorrow', or 'this morning' or whatever

 

[Dren Ahmeti]

It would be interesting to hear what Eurostar drivers would have to say about this, as especially running in the Channel Tunnel must be the height of boredom.

From proper experience, you’re quite busy on the run up to the tunnel, as on the 374s at least, you need to isolate 2 GUs and switch the power supply to ET 25kV - as well as reducing your speed and potentially encountering the TVM equivalent of adverse aspects if you’re following a late Shuttle for example.
The fun bit comes when you’re run bi-directionally to overtake said Shuttle…

A bit off-topic, but hey ho.

 

[thomalex]

Meanwhile on Avanti's Twitter

https://twitter.com/AvantiWestCoast/status/1554835049404456970?s=20&t=mdlf2-ePZiho9_RgzIZpFg

 

[greeny11]

This is how it has actually worked out:
0847 Cancelled
0947 Cancelled
1047 Reinstated. 9 Car Full & Standing. 1st Declassified. Departed 23 Mins Late.
11.47Cancelled. ECS back to Euston.
1247 Cancelled.
1347 Running. 9 Car.

Not quite 4 in a row with a 5 hour gap as advised last night on Journey check but still 4 cancellations with two 3 hour gaps instead. Still pretty shameful !

I'm sure the 1247 did run - I was on the 1107 Euston to Liverpool train (forming the 1347 from Liverpool) and we met it at Runcorn (11 car 390122) and it definitely had passengers on. Even so, this is a completely unacceptable service for any of the main destinations to London.

 

[peter166]

4 sure the 1247 did run - I was on the 1107 Euston to Liverpool train (forming the 1347 from Liverpool) and we met it at Runcorn (11 car 390122) and it definitely had passengers on. Even so, this is a completely unacceptable service for any of the main destinations to London.

Yes you are correct. In the end the 1247 did run but for most of the morning it was showing as cancelled. It must have been a very late decision to run it.
Nevetheless it is still no way to run a railway with so much uncertainty on a daily basis as to which trains will be cancelled. It is currently impossible to plan any journey with Avanti with any degree of certainty. I for one have given up trying. A new temporary timetable which can be fully resourced & is at least 95% reliable is essential no later than next week. 4tph must surely be possible ? 3 tph as a last resort.

 

[jfollows]

If I follow the link in post #1 it shows a better service tomorrow than today; the first Liverpool departure cancelled tomorrow is the 19:47 departure. 16:07 and 17:00 to Liverpool from London cancelled also. So why was today, Thursday, so bad in comparison?

 

[peter166]

05/08/22. Last train to London Euston from Liverpool is 3 hours early today @ 1747.
The 1847, 1947 & 2048 are all cancelled

 

[frodshamfella]

05/08/22. Last train to London Euston from Liverpool is 3 hours early today @ 1747.
The 1847, 1947 & 2048 are all cancelled

That going to be pretty horrendous on a Friday in particular. I find Avanti expensive too.

 

[Bletchleyite]

That going to be pretty horrendous on a Friday in particular. I find Avanti expensive too.

Why exactly I wonder is this generally hitting last trains worse? Are some willing to work rest days but only daytime, perhaps?

 

[Moonshot]

That going to be pretty horrendous on a Friday in particular. I find Avanti expensive too.

In terms of absolute cancelled train numbers , I guess we are now seeing a few hundred per month for Avanti right across their route network. Nobody could actually book with confidence right now.

 

[Bletchleyite]

In terms of absolute cancelled train numbers , I guess we are now seeing a few hundred per month for Avanti right across their route network. Nobody could actually book with confidence right now.

That (and not shares in Arriva and Abellio, nor a suggestion that those TOCs are angels) is why I'm recommending people use the alternative options available for most of their journeys*, though anyone wanting some places between Warrington BQ and Carlisle inclusive don't have great options.

Those alternatives being, in case they're useful to anyone:
- Liverpool/Runcorn: LNR via Crewe
- North Wales: LNR or Chiltern to Brum, TfW to the Coast
- Manchester and local stations south thereof: EMR(+Northern) via Sheffield or LNR to Crewe then Northern/TfW/EMR
- Scotland: LNER(+ScotRail)
- Warrington/Wigan/Preston: see Manchester thence TfW or Northern, which is a bit roundabout so you may want to book to Crewe on LNR and see how Avanti are doing then
- Lancaster: also not great - as Manchester then Northern, or via Leeds, but both rather circuitous so you may want to risk Avanti from Crewe
- Oxenholme/Penrith: as Lancaster but worse as TPE aren't great either
- Carlisle: LNER then Northern

 

[Trainbike46]

- Scotland: LNER(+ScotRail)

Is glasgow-London via Edinburgh a permitted route?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Is glasgow-London via Edinburgh a permitted route?

I believe so (though there are cheaper "via York" routed fares).

But for many of these alternatives you'll save an absolute packet by buying TOC specific fares, splitting if necessary. Definitely run them through Trainsplit!

 

[nlogax]

In terms of absolute cancelled train numbers , I guess we are now seeing a few hundred per month for Avanti right across their route network. Nobody could actually book with confidence right now.

Quite. In recent days I've reconsidered my travel plans for the rest of the summer and into early autumn. It's driving or flying until I feel confident that I can get somewhere via Avanti within a day of setting out.

 

[Cowley]

Ok then everyone. All the day to day cancellation/operations stuff is for this thread now. Whereas all the speculative stuff to do with how things can be improved have a dedicated thread with the link below.

Thanks all.

Avanti and their current problems. What could be done to improve things?

At this point, they may as well introduce a further reduced emergency timetable since they simply cant run a half decent service. Given the Commonwealth games Birmingham probably needs 2tph, so I would have: 1tph Euston to Manchester (MK, Rugby, Coventry, Bham Intl, Bham New St, Sandwell &...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[Amos]

That going to be pretty horrendous on a Friday in particular. I find Avanti expensive too.

Suspect there will be some upset people once the premier league kicks off tomorrow too.

 

[peter166]

Last train to London from Liverpool is at 1747 today.
All later trains @ 1847, 1947 & 2048 are cancelled !

In terms of absolute cancelled train numbers , I guess we are now seeing a few hundred per month for Avanti right across their route network. Nobody could actually book with confidence right now.

Its more like several hundred cancelled trains per week with 30 to 40 cancellations per day.

 

[gazzaa2]

Anyone know what the situation is looking like tomorrow morning Lime Street to Euston? I'm likely traveling on the train just after 9am from Lime Street to New Street which is usually always 4 cars (possibly boosted to 8 with the Commonwealth Games on but wouldn't hold my breath). If Avanti trains around it are off and LNWR put 4 cars I'd be lucky to even get on the thing, given that's only an hourly service itself now.

 

[D1537]

Anyone know what the situation is looking like tomorrow morning Lime Street to Euston? I'm likely traveling on the train just after 9am from Lime Street to New Street which is usually always 4 cars (possibly boosted to 8 with the Commonwealth Games on but wouldn't hold my breath). If Avanti trains around it are off and LNWR put 4 cars I'd be lucky to even get on the thing, given that's only an hourly service itself now.

No cancellations showing at the moment. Saturdays are generally OK running on the reduced timetable, there were very few last week.

 

[rg177]

The only things showing as cancelled throughout so far are the 0807, 1407 and 1507 from Euston to Lime Street by the looks of it.

 

[gazzaa2]

The only things showing as cancelled throughout so far are the 0807, 1407 and 1507 from Euston to Lime Street by the looks of it.

That doesn't sound too bad. Liverpool are away at Fulham as well so a lot will be relying on the earlier trains out of Lime Street and the evening ones back.

 

[peter166]

The only things showing as cancelled throughout so far are the 0807, 1407 and 1507 from Euston to Lime Street by the looks of it.

The 1107 from Euston has been added to the cancelled list.
Unless they run as ECS to Liverpool it is quite possible that the 1047, 1347, 1647 and 1747 returns to Euston will be cancelled too.

 

[rg177]

The 1107 from Euston has been added to the cancelled list.
Unless they run as ECS to Liverpool it is quite possible that the 1047, 1347, 1647 and 1747 returns to Euston will be cancelled too.

All of those services look to have now also been cancelled.

 

[GordonT]

Anglo-Scottish services seem to be badly affected too on Saturday 6th August. https://www.journeycheck.com/avantiwestcoast/
As others have previously posted significant curtailments can often be camouflaged within the "Other Train Updates" category. There should really be an additional stand-alone heading "Part Cancellations" to highlight journeys terminating mid-journey at places like Preston. So far there appears to be 29 Cancellations and 20 Other Train Updates many of which are substantial part-cancellations. Another honky-tonk shambles of a service which discredits rail as a sensible travel option for those who can avoid it.

No cancellations showing at the moment. Saturdays are generally OK running on the reduced timetable, there were very few last week.

Avanti are in such a mess that even at the late stage of the time you were posting they hadn't got round to displaying their cancellations for Saturday. Previous Saturdays may have been broadly ok but since then Avanti shot themselves in the foot with their ill-judged statement about declining to work rest days equalling industrial action and successfully obliterated much of whatever goodwill remained amongst their staff.

 

[Huntergreed]

Glasgow quite poor in the next few hours.

11:30 terminating at Preston
12:40 cancelled
13:30 starting from Preston
14:30 starting from Preston

 

[syorksdeano]

Gone have the days of 'arrive awesome'.... Now we have gone to 'arrive eventually'

 

[londonmidland]

Overhearing staff on this Pendo saying it’s the worst they’ve ever seen it, with constant diagram issues, being left on their own and being constantly screamed at by management.

So it’s not only the passengers suffering, but also the staff on the ground.

 

[dk1]

Overhearing staff on this Pendo saying it’s the worst they’ve ever seen it, with constant diagram issues, being left on their own and being constantly screamed at by management.

They'd only get away with screaming at me once!!

 

[GordonT]

Interesting to see how far Avanti will go to accommodate pax "dumped" in the likes of Preston due to journeys terminating short. from the current Avanti Twitter feed (see following extract) Avanti are still working on this.


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@AvantiWestCoast
what is happening on the 16.40 to London Euston from Glasgow Central? My 80 yr old mother is on board. Is it terminating early? How is she going to get to London with a seat?!? This is the third journey I have had to book fro her due to strike action!!!
Avanti West Coast
@AvantiWestCoast
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Hi Jill, this is still being looked at, as soon as more is known it will be announced but your mother won't be left stranded. Station staff at Preston will get her moving - Mike

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@AvantiWestCoast
can you help please? Our train from Carlisle to MKC now terminates at Preston at 1905. No advice from anyone at station on best course of action and say can’t guarantee following train is going to run through to MKC either. Any more info?
Avanti West Coast
@AvantiWestCoast
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Hi Simon, this will be being worked on but as soon as more is known, updates will be announced onboard - Mike

 

[Bletchleyite]

Most of the evening service from New St to Euston canned, it appears. Oh dear. LNR are going to be busy.