Nottinghamshire & Derbyshire Bus News

[Mugby]

According to this BBC story Trent Barton are down 130 drivers!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles...om3=Regional+BBC+East+Midlands&at_campaign=64

It would be interesting to know what the correlation is between revenue lost and wages saved!

 

[chessie]

I gather there are lots of timetable changes to Stagecoach bus services in Derbyshire from the first week in October, does anyone know what the changes are…?

I haven't seen anything in writing so I can only take it as pure speculation at this point but if the bus stop gossip is true (it usually is), significant changes for some routes do seem to be coming on 2nd October, not just Stagecoach either.

 

[liamf656]

I haven't seen anything in writing so I can only take it as pure speculation at this point but if the bus stop gossip is true (it usually is), significant changes for some routes do seem to be coming on 2nd October, not just Stagecoach either.

trentbarton have theirs published already. Not sure what other operators have planned changes but it’s expected with the current funding situation

 

[derbybusdepot]

A number of Derbyshire County Council tenders start from 2nd October. Believe some have been announced and others are being finalised.

 

[Flange Squeal]

From Hulleys’ Facebook page:

SERVICE CHANGES FROM SUNDAY 2 OCTOBER 2022:

48/49 - These services will be operated by Hulleys of Baslow with very minor time changes in the afternoon. Buses that currently serve Morrisons in Brampton will be extended to serve Old Road and Old Brampton before terminating at Wigley, replacing Service 170.

55/56 - These services will all serve Tibshelf, but will operate direct into Morton village, not via Pewit Lane. In North Wingfield buses will additionally serve The Gate Inn. To improve reliability there will be minor changes to timings, buses running up to 10 minutes later than at present. All buses will show number 55.

63 - Revised timetable to improve reliability.

78 - This service will no longer be operated by Hulleys.

84 - This service will be replaced by Service 170, which will operate via Chatsworth Road and Holymoorside to Baslow and Bakewell. Hulleys will also operate the Sunday service. Evening and Sunday buses will run as Service 170.

110/111 - Unchanged.

170/X70 - Minor changes to timings. Service 170 will run via Chatsworth Road and Holymoorside instead of Old Road and Old Brampton, although buses to and from Lady Manners School will be unchanged. During the rest of the day, Old Road and Old Brampton will be served by Service 48. The Sunday X70 service will be replaced by Service 170, hourly from Chesterfield to Holymoorside and two hourly through to Bakewell.

171 - New timetable including an extra bus at 0930 from Youlgrave to Bakewell following customer requests.

172 - This service will no longer run through to/from Chesterfield, to improve reliability.

173 - Unchanged.

178 - Withdrawn due to very poor usage. Please note that Shutts Lane is served hourly by Service 170.

256/257/258 - All buses will run as Service 257, and on Monday to Saturday buses will run hourly from Sheffield to Bakewell. On Sundays buses will run between Sheffield and Bamford Station, with some journeys additionally serving Fairholmes Visitor Centre.

271/272 - Changes to times at morning and afternoon peak to improve reliability. The 1120 from Sheffield to Castleton and 1220 from Castleton to Sheffield will be replaced by journeys at 1050 & 1150 from Sheffield to Castleton and 1150 & 1250 from Castleton to Sheffield.

M17 - This service will no longer be operated by Hulleys.

New timetables will be published shortly.

 

[43055]

The full list of changes is here: Trent Barton October Service Changes

trentbarton have theirs published already. Not sure what other operators have planned changes but it’s expected with the current funding situation

Seems that trentbarton have not quite published everything. Looks like the royal derby is to transfer to Notts and Derby from the 2nd of October. The route page on the website already has 'operated by Notts+Derby' on it. This might help Derby some more as the mickleover managed to have a red solo on yesterday morning even though it has 8 branded buses for a PVR of 6 now.

The Notts+Derby registration on bus times:

PC0004218/204 – bustimes.org

bustimes.org

 

[station_road]

Seems that trentbarton have not quite published everything. Looks like the royal derby is to transfer to Notts and Derby from the 2nd of October. The route page on the website already has 'operated by Notts+Derby' on it. This might help Derby some more as the mickleover managed to have a red solo on yesterday morning even though it has 8 branded buses for a PVR of 6 now.

The Notts+Derby registration on bus times:

PC0004218/204 – bustimes.org

bustimes.org

That same page also still says 'every 12 minutes' when the timetable remains every 20 mins and the loop around the Royal Derby hospital isn't running. Perhaps the move to Notts & Derby will see the timetable back to normal, although I hope they still accept Mango and are part of the lower daily cap (unlike Skylink Derby).

 

[SSmith2009]

This might help Derby some more as the mickleover managed to have a red solo on yesterday morning even though it has 8 branded buses for a PVR of 6 now.

Aren't some of the displaced E200mmcs meant to be going onto Skylink Express to replace the elderly solars?

 

[liamf656]

Aren't some of the displaced E200mmcs meant to be going onto Skylink Express to replace the elderly solars?

I believe Skylink Express is getting some B7RLEs

 

[Chopper]

Aren't some of the displaced E200mmcs meant to be going onto Skylink Express to replace the elderly solars?

They'll be a spare E200MMC off the Allestree available as well with the frequency reduction.

 

[43055]

That same page also still says 'every 12 minutes' when the timetable remains every 20 mins and the loop around the Royal Derby hospital isn't running. Perhaps the move to Notts & Derby will see the timetable back to normal, although I hope they still accept Mango and are part of the lower daily cap (unlike Skylink Derby).

The 27 seems to be accepting mango. Personally, I can see it continuing every 20 mins but it would be good to see it go back to every 12.

Aren't some of the displaced E200mmcs meant to be going onto Skylink Express to replace the elderly solars?

They'll be a spare E200MMC off the Allestree available as well with the frequency reduction.

I think it was said that 107, 108, 109 could be going to the skylink and 269 becomes a spare to replace 109. The vehicle situation is not good at Derby at the moment for some reason with journeys missing at times due to no spare buses not drivers.

 

[STINT47]

Some good news for bus uses in Nottingham. Trentbarton will be returning to Broadmarsh bus station on the 2nd October after an absence if five years.

No news yet on weather the pigeons may also want to come back.

 

[ChrisC]

Some good news for bus uses in Nottingham. Trentbarton will be returning to Broadmarsh bus station on the 2nd October after an absence if five years.

No news yet on weather the pigeons may also want to come back.

It’s good news that the Broad Marsh bus station is going to be used at last after the money that has been spent on building it. Whether it’s good news for the bus users of Nottingham depends upon the journeys you regularly make. The Victoria Bus Station and the Broad Marsh Bus Station are quite some distance apart and I have actually quite appreciated only having to walk as far as Friar Lane when making journeys from north of the city to destinations on other sides of the city. The current Victoria Bus Station is quite small and is very inconveniently situated for onward connections.

 

[chessie]

2nd October Service Changes on the Derbyshire Council website now

Forthcoming changes to bus services - Derbyshire County Council

www.derbyshire.gov.uk

 

[43055]

2nd October Service Changes on the Derbyshire Council website now

Forthcoming changes to bus services - Derbyshire County Council

www.derbyshire.gov.uk

Quite a few changes on there. The Arriva 2/2A/2B/2C changes seems to me going back towards the 60/61 days. No mention of the two, rainbow one, H1 and royal Derby changing on the trentbarton website with just over a week to go.

 

[chessie]

Locally to me the change to the 170 route is a bit of a shocker as it leaves no connection between Holme Hall to Brampton outside of school times but commercially, I sort of understand it as the 84 and 170 currently duplicate on Chatsworth Road, I think it also leaves Chesterfield with no more TM Travel services either.

As noted in one of my previous comments, there is nothing here I haven't heard unofficially a couple of weeks ago so I do feel its very poor Derbyshire Council have only just issued this update now, 11 days before they actually happen.

 

[northern506]

2nd October Service Changes on the Derbyshire Council website now

Forthcoming changes to bus services - Derbyshire County Council

www.derbyshire.gov.uk

Diamond operating the 9 and 9A is Derby seems bizarre. Is this a mistake do you think?

 

[thameslink2000]

Diamond operating the 9 and 9A is Derby seems bizarre. Is this a mistake do you think?

It's entirely possible now Diamond have a depot at Burton following the recent takeover of Midland Classic.

 

[SSmith2009]

Quite a few changes on there. The Arriva 2/2A/2B/2C changes seems to me going back towards the 60/61 days. No mention of the two, rainbow one, H1 and royal Derby changing on the trentbarton website with just over a week to go.

The H1 is mentioned in the October changes: www.trentbarton.co.uk/news-and-media/travel-updates/article/servicechanges2Oct

H1 | Extra evening journeys on Sundays.

Kinchbus also have changes from 2nd October with new timetables uploaded but no notices of what is changing on their website

 

[Simon75]

It's entirely possible now Diamond have a depot at Burton following the recent takeover of Midland Classic.

Burton is only about 12 miles away, still some dead miles

 

[Mugby]

Burton is only about 12 miles away, still some dead miles

Yes, some dead mileage but it gives Diamond a foot hold in Derby which could be very useful for future opportunities!

 

[elknottingham]

First updated timetables show TrentBarton Nottingham Skylink calling at Friar Lane still before heading to Broadmarsh bus station then out to the airport from 2nd October

 

[Andyh82]

Is the access to Broadmarsh bus station from the rest of the city centre still via a temporary boarded tunnel, or have they sorted that now?

 

[MCR247]

Is the access to Broadmarsh bus station from the rest of the city centre still via a temporary boarded tunnel, or have they sorted that now?

It is now an open air path

 

[satisnek]

So what's the deal with Broadmarsh bus station then? They've replaced a bus station and multi-storey car park with... a bus station and a multi-storey car park! Surely it would have been much cheaper to put some fancy vertical slats on the old one, or were there structural issues?

 

[SSmith2009]

So what's the deal with Broadmarsh bus station then? They've replaced a bus station and multi-storey car park with... a bus station and a multi-storey car park! Surely it would have been much cheaper to put some fancy vertical slats on the old one, or were there structural issues?

IIRC Intu were planning on refurbishing up the Broadmarsh shopping centre and the council decided to do the bus station at around the same time.

Intu went bust in 2020? and Broadmarsh shopping centre has been left a building site.

 

[adrianjohnson]

So what's the deal with Broadmarsh bus station then? They've replaced a bus station and multi-storey car park with... a bus station and a multi-storey car park! Surely it would have been much cheaper to put some fancy vertical slats on the old one, or were there structural issues?

There's also a library (not open yet) and more retail units around the outside. I'm not sure if there were structural issues, but it was also part of the Broadmarsh redevelopment (shopping centre & all surrounding streets as far as the train station)

 

[kevjs]

So what's the deal with Broadmarsh bus station then? They've replaced a bus station and multi-storey car park with... a bus station and a multi-storey car park! Surely it would have been much cheaper to put some fancy vertical slats on the old one, or were there structural issues?

IIRC the original intent was to refurbish the existing, but when they did the final surveys they found structural issues and it cheaper to demolish and rebuild, and also had the benefit of moving the car park access from Middle Hill (it was planned to move them round but in the same corner as the Collin Street entrance used to be) to Canal Street - and space to accommodate the Central Library which was also in-need of a major refit.

 

[ChrisC]

In an earlier post I commented upon the distance between the Broad Marsh and Victoria Bus Stations in Nottingham. No wonder I always find it quite a walk especially uphill from the Broad Marsh to the Victoria Bus Station. If Google is correct, shortest walking distance between the two bus stations is almost 1 mile at 0.9 mile. I knew it was quite a walk but hadn’t realised it was as far as that. Yes I will miss the shorter distance from Friar Lane.

 

[edwin_m]

In an earlier post I commented upon the distance between the Broad Marsh and Victoria Bus Stations in Nottingham. No wonder I always find it quite a walk especially uphill from the Broad Marsh to the Victoria Bus Station. If Google is correct, shortest walking distance between the two bus stations is almost 1 mile at 0.9 mile. I knew it was quite a walk but hadn’t realised it was as far as that. Yes I will miss the shorter distance from Friar Lane.

NCT's frequent "City Loop" buses will take you as far as the south end of Victoria Centre. It's a shame on or more of the Mansfield Road routes don't go round the loop to provide a connection to Broad Marsh and nearly to the railway station, but NCT doesn't have a remit to help out the other operators that use the bus stations.