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Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

FlybeDash8Q400

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I think its madder.
As @Bus9120UK says, why would it be getting painted into the same livery? All of 579-590 are being painted, and it would seem more than likely that they’re all being painted into the same livery. 11 of these 12 buses were already in madder and white (584 still had its original blue and white under the wrap).
 
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I'm pretty sure that's Dark Green. You said it isn't blue but it might be a very dark one which I still find very unlikely; just face the truth, it's green.
 
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I'm not expecting them to be returning back to Longstone. If they are keeping them in madder it would have made sense to start with Centrals 66 plate 400s, which are getting very faded / warn now. Time will tell!
 

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They’re definitely green. The last plan I heard was East Coast but this could be changed for country as this was pre-Mcgills takeover.
The paint on them was very fresh so they definitely wouldn’t spend to turn them madder and upgrading Skylinks by 6 months wouldn’t be worthwhile.
The Skylinks, however, are planned an upgrade within next 6 months with their age and reliability concerns - anyone who looks at vehicle allocation on 200/400 will see there’s consistently the subway “all over wrap” and an occasional red.
 
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I'm not expecting them to be returning back to Longstone. If they are keeping them in madder it would have made sense to start with Centrals 66 plate 400s, which are getting very faded / warn now. Time will tell!
Yes, I too would’ve thought they’d be next from Lothian once the 15 plate B5LH’s are complete. I think that will still happen as there’s just 3 B5LH’s left now - 562, 565 and 569. 568 is back at Longstone and may even return to service this afternoon, but probably tomorrow. 497 has also returned to Longstone, but it might be a bit longer before it’s back out.

579-590 on the other hand (I think as we’ve all worked out by now) are more than likely moving to another division, hence these being repainted prematurely, after just 3 years (584 after 5 years).
 

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Yes, I too would’ve thought they’d be next from Lothian once the 15 plate B5LH’s are complete. I think that will still happen as there’s just 3 B5LH’s left now - 562, 565 and 569. 568 is back at Longstone and may even return to service this afternoon, but probably tomorrow. 497 has also returned to Longstone, but it might be a bit longer before it’s back out.

579-590 on the other hand (I think as we’ve all worked out by now) are more than likely moving to another division, hence these being repainted prematurely, after just 3 years (584 after 5 years).
It's a shame that they aren't willing to add the passenger information to the older buses whilst they repaint. As a driver I much prefer having the screens and announcements, especially when people ask when a certain stop is!
 

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It's a shame that they aren't willing to add the passenger information to the older buses whilst they repaint. As a driver I much prefer having the screens and announcements, especially when people ask when a certain stop is!
I do think they should aim to have every vehicle with it at the minute, but realistically is it viable for the Gemini2’s or older? Probably not. I would say nothing older than 401-425 at this point.

It shouldn’t be too difficult to fit it to 441-465 (compared to say an original style Gemini3), so I suspect there’s a chance they could have these fitted when they’re repainted. They’re due a re-trim as well anyway. 551-570 would need Hanovers fitted first probably as the next stop announcements I believe are also a Hanover system.

The thing that really disappoints me is on many of the new E400mmc’s (and the Evora’s actually), the announcements are far too quiet. In many cases they either only one on one deck, are too quiet, or just don’t work at all. I’ve no idea what causes that to happen but it’s a bit strange that it’s doing it on the newest buses.
 

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It's a shame that they aren't willing to add the passenger information to the older buses whilst they repaint. As a driver I much prefer having the screens and announcements, especially when people ask when a certain stop is!
These had the announcements when new so I don’t know what happened there? Also the 7900s had them too.

I do think they should aim to have every vehicle with it at the minute, but realistically is it viable for the Gemini2’s or older? Probably not. I would say nothing older than 401-425 at this point.

It shouldn’t be too difficult to fit it to 441-465 (compared to say an original style Gemini3), so I suspect there’s a chance they could have these fitted when they’re repainted. They’re due a re-trim as well anyway. 551-570 would need Hanovers fitted first probably as the next stop announcements I believe are also a Hanover system.

The thing that really disappoints me is on many of the new E400mmc’s (and the Evora’s actually), the announcements are far too quiet. In many cases they either only one on one deck, are too quiet, or just don’t work at all. I’ve no idea what causes that to happen but it’s a bit strange that it’s doing it on the newest buses.
Yeah I’ve heard that before too and I always wonder how anyone is expected to be able to hear it. Announcements should be loud and clear for everyone to hear.
 

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Another neat addition would be what London has - command announcements, such as bus stop closed or route on diversion! With the Queensferry / Antigua Street diversions currently a lot of people are getting caught out and don't know about the temporary stops as the bus screens still announce the old stops.
 

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Another neat addition would be what london have - command announcements, such as bus stop closed or route on diversion! With the Queensferry / Antigua Street diversions currently a lot of people are getting caught out and don't know about the temporary stops as the bus screens still announce the old stops.
I think the plan is the new AVL (automated vehicle location) system should not only allow greater tracking but also allow “on demand” announcements such as you mention
 
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They’re definitely green. The last plan I heard was East Coast but this could be changed for country as this was pre-Mcgills takeover.
East Coast have more vehicles that are at the point where they’re needing replacements than Lothian Country however 12 more 67 plates at Lothian Country would help them competition wise
They’re definitely green. The last plan I heard was East Coast but this could be changed for country as this was pre-Mcgills takeover.
The paint on them was very fresh so they definitely wouldn’t spend to turn them madder and upgrading Skylinks by 6 months wouldn’t be worthwhile.
The Skylinks, however, are planned an upgrade within next 6 months with their age and reliability concerns - anyone who looks at vehicle allocation on 200/400 will see there’s consistently the subway “all over wrap” and an occasional red.
The 17 plate Skylinks were new in July 2017 the 67 plates were new in September so 2 monts

The reliability (or lack of) from 496-510 has been noticeable recently. Any particular reason for this?
 

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We are waiting until we have high quality images of the vehicles before we speculate properly what goes where.
What would be the difference if it was Lothian country and East Coast Buses? They have the same livery.
 
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We are waiting until we have high quality images of the vehicles before we speculate properly what goes where.
Yes, I completely agree.

Just to add to that, even if they all go green and white, there’s still a chance some could go west and some will go east. So even if they were in a base green and white, that still doesn’t confirm everything. Whatever is the case, I’m sure all will be revealed soon.
 

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Lothian Country is withdrawing both the 276 and 280 with the X27 withdrawn from Whitburn and back to Bathgate.

got to say this came as quite a surprise.. (sarcastic comment awaiting from anti LCB squad)
 
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What would be the difference if it was Lothian country and East Coast Buses? They have the same livery.
Same but different.
(Image shows 946 and 181 branded for East Coast and Lothian Country respectively)

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Lothian Country is withdrawing both the 276 and 280 with the X27 withdrawn from Whitburn and back to Bathgate.

got to say this came as quite a surprise.. (sarcastic comment awaiting from anti LCB squad)
This is a big change. They are focusing on the profitable routes now and it will be up to other operators and West Lothian Council to fill in the gaps

To be honest it didn’t make sense to have both the X25 and 280 run almost the exact same route and people in Broxburn would’ve used the X24, X25 or 600 to get a faster link to Livingston.

Dedridge West is a shake but if no one is using it…

There is now no link to Sighthill from Eliburn or Whitburn.
 

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Lothian Country is withdrawing both the 276 and 280 with the X27 withdrawn from Whitburn and back to Bathgate.

got to say this came as quite a surprise.. (sarcastic comment awaiting from anti LCB squad)
They came into West Lothian expecting it to be a repeat of East Lothian. It never worked out like that, though and now they are basically giving up and its only a matter of time before the remaining routes are clipped to Livingston and the X18 goes same way as the other failed routes.
 
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Came into West Lothian expecting it to be a repeat of East Lothian ,it never worked out like that though and now they are basically giving up and its only a matter of time before the remaining routes are clipped to Livingston and X18 goes same way as the other failed routes.
Can't say I'm surprised at this. How long before LCB throws in the towel, these changes are a desperate last throw of the dice.

I hate to say "I told you so", but....!
 

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Lothian Country is withdrawing both the 276 and 280 with the X27 withdrawn from Whitburn and back to Bathgate.

got to say this came as quite a surprise.. (sarcastic comment awaiting from anti LCB squad)
I'm not surprised. It'll certainly be interesting to see how (or if) other operators will react. To me West Lothian has proven to be the perfect example of competition not always being a good thing. Post-covid the area probably has some of the poorest quality services in the country.
 

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This makes sense then. They will probably sell off all of 176-190 and possibly 195-199 as well unless they are required for other areas and the extra buses 579-590 will be to increase services to double decker for the X18, X27, X28 and 43
 
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Came into West Lothian expecting it to be a repeat of East Lothian ,it never worked out like that though and now they are basically giving up and its only a matter of time before the remaining routes are clipped to Livingston and X18 goes same way as the other failed routes.
East Lothian was a completely different set of circumstances given that First effectively just walked away leaving no bus service past Tranent/Seton Sands.
 

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Can't say I'm surprised at this. How long before LCB throws in the towel, these changes are a desperate last throw of the dice.

I hate to say "I told you so", but....!
As much as I get what you are saying, these core routes could really increase in popularity if the frequency is increased and are kept reliable although this depends on what the competition decide to do in terms of service changes.

East Lothian was a completely different set of circumstances given that First effectively just walked away leaving no bus service past Tranent/Seton Sands.
Also people remain loyal to the operator in West Lothian who have served the area for over 100 years or so they said around the time when Lothian Country launched
 

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As much as I get what you are saying, these core routes could really increase in popularity if the frequency is increased and are kept reliable although this depends on what the competition decide to do in terms of service changes.


Also people remain loyal to the operator in West Lothian who have served the area for over 100 years or so they said around the time when Lothian Country launched
Same as back in the early nineties. West Lothian passengers stayed loyal to SMT and LRT soon pulled out.

LCB is more or less dead.
 

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