TT-ONR-NRN
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Do EMR 170s actually work in multiple with the 156s, or is this a data error?
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Do EMR 170s actually work in multiple with the 156s, or is this a data error?
Photo shows RealTime Trains and a service said to be operated by an EMR 170 and 156 in multiple, dividing en-route.
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They do operate like that but the rear set is locked out. It is for trains that are functionally shifting stock. There are a few to and from Lincoln to ferry units to and from Nottingham, in this case the 170 stabled at Cleethorpes last night and is required in Lincoln for it's next working.
Realtime Trains | 2A53 0547 Derby to Nottingham | 27/08/2022
Real-time train running information for 2A53 0547 departure from Derby to Nottingham on 27/08/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
This is another this morning, shifting a 158 and 170 from Derby to Nottingham.
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Failed Unit
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Actually if I have a bike I prefer the 156s as they have somewhere to put it.
EMR is a concern at the moment. You don’t know if you will be left on the platform or not. (Just like in the days with the 153s). Passengers are booming but getting an hourly service is mission impossible. Many of the trains on Grimsby- Leicester need 3 cars. But then I don’t know a single EMR route that can cope with demand.
STINT47
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In the short term overcrowding would-be eased if a full hourly service could be restored on key regional routes. Although it's better than a year ago there are still gaps on the Lincoln and Crewe lines leading to passengers crowding onto other trains.
In the long run three or preferably four carsneedsto become the norm on most regional routes. Nottingham to Crewe is getting really busy as passengersuseit to reach aces like Manchester and the North via the WCML at Crewe
In the long run three or preferably four carsneedsto become the norm on most regional routes. Nottingham to Crewe is getting really busy as passengersuseit to reach aces like Manchester and the North via the WCML at Crewe
The issue with adding more and more coaches to some routes is the length of the platforms, some stations only take two or three coaches
Introducing multiple 170s create operational difficulty if a whole unit is not platformed because the guard would then have to go through the trouble of making sure at the previous station that the passengers are in the right portion. In the case of the Crewe line, the 3 car 170 worked well with SDO only being needed at Blythe Bridge when they were allocated, however when 4/5 car 170s were used dwell times were increased
When 156/158s are brought into the mix it’s even more difficult. For example, some stations on the Skegness route are shorter than a 4 coach train and then would be local door only as Sprinters don’t have SDO. You could make use of the butterfly switch if the rear cab of the front unit is platformed but as far as I know it isn’t usually used at EMR, but I’m sure someone more in the know would be able to provide more info with regards to that
Failed Unit
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When 4 car 15x have appeared on the Grimsby-Leicester route the guard needed to manually open every door on the platform form which didn’t help the dwell time and built up a significant delay down the route. At stations like Swinderby 1 door is fine. At many others they needed to open all the doors.
I certainly think restoring the full timetable will help. But the 158s really need SDO and using on routes with short platforms.
EMR really needs the proposed December 2022 timetable. Not sure if it will ever happen but then the 170s could cope. The have less seats then the 15x so from that point of view we have gone backwards.
I certainly think restoring the full timetable will help. But the 158s really need SDO and using on routes with short platforms.
EMR really needs the proposed December 2022 timetable. Not sure if it will ever happen but then the 170s could cope. The have less seats then the 15x so from that point of view we have gone backwards.
Rick1984
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Do some of the class 170s not have declassified 1st class areas as well? These would need changed regardless of the refurbishment
Seats are always very subjective, I personally find the Lazzerini seats amongst the most comfortable on the network.
urpert
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I like them too, but the seat frames and armrests are enormous and intrude into the knee room area so I understand the OPs point.
The ex Scot Rail and ex TfW one has declassified 1st class sections.
TT-ONR-NRN
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The two carriage and three carriage /2s have different types of first class seating too.
Jacob Porrett
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170638 to leave EMR in the next 1-2 weeks. It has finished it's services which means it's holiday is now over.
Where have you heard this?
Cheers. A shame as I never got the chance to ride it with EMR!
A link to 5M66 as mentioned above
Realtime Trains | 5M66 1307 Eastcroft Down Sidings to Tyseley L.M.D. | 02/09/2022
Real-time train running information for 5M66 1307 departure from Eastcroft Down Sidings to Tyseley L.M.D. on 02/09/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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morgainelive
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Looks like 170s are out and about again on the Liverpool Norwich route and as 2 cars. I really cannot see how this lobg distancecservice can continue like this especially those going all the wsy to say Nottingham or Pboro?
Traction shortage is pretty critical so alas anything goes. A work task is apparently starting shortly to come up with a method of work for class 158 and 170 to work in multiple if need be which should as the fleet balance shifts towards 170 help matters.
Kite159
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What are the main issues with a 158/156 working in multiple with a 170?
Lack of gangway?
Lack of gangway?
scotraildriver
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Scotrail have been operating 170/158/156 combos for over 20 years. The only oddity it the vigilance doesn't sound when the doors are open.
It used to happen a lot in the Central Trains days - can imagine it’s more a case of the paperwork/potentially certain mods being signed off before they’re allowed to work in multiple in passenger service.
Realtime Trains | 5Q57 0705 Selhurst T&R.S.M.D to Etches Park Sdgs | 07/09/2022
Real-time train running information for 5Q57 0705 departure from Selhurst T&R.S.M.D to Etches Park Sdgs on 07/09/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Path in place for next week’s move from Selhurst to Etches Park.
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170UTD
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I saw in Modern Railways that the three two-car TfW 170s are expected before the end of the year. Does anyone have a time frame for this?
Some time within the next 3 months
170UTD
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I'm wondering if they go off lease in December like the Angel Trains owned 156s for EMR?Some time within the next 3 months
If the 156s are expected to go off lease then, I think it’s a reasonable timescale; no doubt the Mk4 introduction on Manchester-Swansea services will create an internal cascade that’s enabling the 2 car 170s to be released.
Some time within the next 3 months
Less than that, sometime in the next 12 weeks!
They are required until Dec TT change at least.
Wyrleybart
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Wouldn't that depend on the continuing delay in class 197 and class 230 introduction though ? That also of course takes into account the Northern class 150 loans to TfW