SIWW (Sundays In the Working Week)

[noodles]

Do any of you work Sundays in the working week and still work a 4 day week ?

If so what sort of link do you have, how is the link set out ?

Thanks.

 

[PringlePopper1]

SE driver here, our Sundays are inside and no links at our depot, just a 4 day week. Be it work Sunday Monday, RD Tues Weds Thurs and in Friday Sat.

Usually my three RDs are off together but if I’m going from late turn to earlies then usually have the Sunday off and 2 in the week. Varies from depot to depot though.

 

[Tomnick]

An example...

Preserves the fixed three-week RD cycle, including the long weekends, but at the cost of ending up with a small number of isolated rest days.

 

[ComUtoR]

SE driver here, our Sundays are inside and no links at our depot,

No link ? Or do you mean just one link ?

 

[SteveL9]

An example...

Preserves the fixed three-week RD cycle, including the long weekends, but at the cost of ending up with a small number of isolated rest days.View attachment 121958

Thanks for sharing, would anyone mind explaining a bit how to read it? Ie what the colour coding means? What the acronyms mean? What are the numbers in the corners next to the start and finish times? Why is there a time on some of the days where it says no duty? Sorry for all the questions!

 

[iphone76]

I don't work for this TOC, however, my educated guesses would be:-

Yellow - no duty - rest days. Not sure why they have times on - perhaps to confirm if on earlies, afternoons, lates, etc.
Orange - SP - spare shifts. - used to cover uncovered turns (can be moved x number of hours depending on T&Cs)
Green - route retention / route refresh - days where you are expected to come in and front end unusual moves / moves you don't often cover.
Blue - s/b - study / stud days - where you have a day in the classroom going over recent incidents / rule book updates, etc.
White - running turn - start time top left, job number top right, job length bottom centre - no finish time - you'd work that out or it would be on the diagram.

My TOC does an average 4 day week over the year, however, we work 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, with some annual leave rostered as part of the 2 weeks off. We work a maximum of 21 Sundays per year, however, usually do around 16 to 18 or so. This means some weeks we do work 5 days as the extra day is banked to give the 2 weeks off, however, these are not that common.

I hope that helps (and is correct!)

 

[Tomnick]

Thanks for sharing, would anyone mind explaining a bit how to read it? Ie what the colour coding means? What the acronyms mean? What are the numbers in the corners next to the start and finish times? Why is there a time on some of the days where it says no duty? Sorry for all the questions!

What @iphone76 said, mostly (ta!). Just to clear up the last couple of details - times shown on 'no duty' days are datum times used for allocation of rest day work, and S/B actually stands for safety brief.

The 'Sundays exclusive' print of the same link adds pink days and pink spare days!

 

[387star]

An example...

Preserves the fixed three-week RD cycle, including the long weekends, but at the cost of ending up with a small number of isolated rest days.View attachment 121958

So enforced seven days working in a row on some lines

 

[noodles]

Thanks for your help, i have an idea on how it works now.

All the best

 

[Tomnick]

So enforced seven days working in a row on some lines

Yup. Three instances in thirty weeks, if I'm not mistaken, to protect the R/D pattern and make swaps much easier. I've not heard a single complaint about it!

 

[387star]

Yup. Three instances in thirty weeks, if I'm not mistaken, to protect the R/D pattern and make swaps much easier. I've not heard a single complaint about it!

True... I guess such a run is no different to if you can't find cover for committed Sundays

Keeping the five day weekends every three weeks is really good. Think I even saw a six day weekend in there.

 

[PringlePopper1]

No link ? Or do you mean just one link ?

Apologies, just one link.

 

[dk1]

Yup. Three instances in thirty weeks, if I'm not mistaken, to protect the R/D pattern and make swaps much easier. I've not heard a single complaint about it!

Sounds fine to me.

 

[ComUtoR]

Apologies, just one link.

None needed. Different TOCs do different things so I was curious if there was a depot at SE who didn't use 'links' its a bit of an outdated term tbh. My depot has "1" main link, then a supply link but also has two Drivers doing a job share.

 

[PringlePopper1]

None needed. Different TOCs do different things so I was curious if there was a depot at SE who didn't use 'links' its a bit of an outdated term tbh. My depot has "1" main link, then a supply link but also has two Drivers doing a job share.

Yeah I agree, speaking to other depots it’s purely down to extra routes/traction signed I believe? We do have a spare link which I didn’t include as there’s rarely anyone in there as there’s always been vacancy’s in the main roster. We do have drivers job sharing as well but again I sort of disregard it, maybe my initial post was a complete lie thinking about it

 

[ComUtoR]

Yeah I agree, speaking to other depots it’s purely down to extra routes/traction signed I believe?

Mostly yes. Some places also have an "old man's link" typically based on seniority.

We do have a spare link which I didn’t include as there’s rarely anyone in there as there’s always been vacancy’s in the main roster.

I'd be interested to know if all TOCs use the Spare/Supply link principle. I didn't consider it either.

We do have drivers job sharing as well but again I sort of disregard it, maybe my initial post was a complete lie thinking about it

Na, just me being overly curious as always.

 

[Gorlash1886]

Slade green have 4 links and supply links

 

[geoffk]

Seems that "no Sunday service" is a feature that goes back many years. (From Disused Stations website). Sometimes driven by lack of demand but unlikely in this case.