New offer made to RMT by Rail Delivery Group

[CyrusWuff]

The Rail Delivery Group has been authorised to make a new offer by the DfT: https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-receives-fresh-offer-from-rdg/

Rail union, RMT today received a new offer from the Rail Delivery Group (RDG) following negotiations in the national rail dispute.

The union's NEC will now consider the detail within the offer and what next steps to take.

The proposals include detailed documentation covering a range of issues that affect all of our grade groups at these 14 companies and will require serious and careful consideration.

The proposals on pay and job security are directly conditional on cost savings and alterations to contractual terms, entitlements, and working practices.

Broadly the same as before, but with DOO left to negotiation at TOC level, no compulsory redundancies until 31st December 2024, a new round of Voluntary Severance seeking to shed another 800 posts, and 5% (or £1750) for 2022 and 4% for 2023, both from the relevant anniversary dates.

 

[Simon11]

Considering the previous offer was rejected, I don't think an extra 1% in 2022 would be enough? Have I missed something else that has radically changed the offer?

You don't strike to get just an extra 1%?

 

[Russel]

Given the current climate, it seems reasonable to me.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Considering the previous offer was rejected, I don't think an extra 1% in 2022 would be enough? Have I missed something else that has radically changed the offer?

You don't strike to get just an extra 1%?

It'll be this bit making a big difference, I think? Previously the DOO was expected as part of the deal. Now it's not. ( ..and let's please not debate DOO again here! )

but with DOO left to negotiation at TOC level

 

[Bletchleyite]

I've seen some comments on Twitter, which are very, very negative to the point of vitriolic, and seem mostly to be concentrating on booking offices and associated redundancies, which like it or not ARE going to close.

If that's the hill they're going to die on, then this is going to go on a very, very long time, and the rest of it (possibly including DOO) will end up being imposed through fire-and-rehire. Not a good situation.

Booking offices and associated redundancies really need to come out of this negotiation and be dealt with separately.

 

[Msq71423]

The "or £1750 whichever is higher" is a new addition. For lower paid staff eg. for someone on 20k this will put them up to £22620 which is 13.1% increase if I've done my maths right, helping those on lower salaries a bit more.



Anyone on a salary below 35k would benefit from the £1750 making it a higher than 5% increase for those on under 35k for 2022.

 

[TEW]

Booking offices and associated redundancies really need to come out of this negotiation and be dealt with separately.

They kind of are. The RDG is simply stating that it is their intention, but changes to opening hours and closures will be made through the usual consultation process. The RMT would be free to oppose them and campaign at that point. It's why it was not the biggest issue in the previous proposal.

 

[Sleepy]

I've only seen negative comments regarding terms and condition changes eg. Sick pay changes and rostering creating a 2 tier workforce.

 

[Railwayowl80]

For me don’t want to come out looking selfish but think my salary is around 19-20k so would be a decent pay rise but still don’t want people signing up to stuff for them to effectively be losing there jobs further down the line I do hope it gets sorted soon though for everyone’s sake

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I've only seen negative comments regarding terms and condition changes eg. Sick pay changes and rostering creating a 2 tier workforce.

What are the changes to sick pay are they purposing to get rid completely or reduce it?

 

[12LDA28C]

The "or £1750 whichever is higher" is a new addition. For lower paid staff eg. for someone on 20k this will put them up to £22620 which is 13.1% increase if I've done my maths right, helping those on lower salaries a bit more.

Indeed. Those earning up to £30k will get a minimum 10% increase and those on the lowest wage will get up to 13% increase.

 

[Thirteen]

The ticketing office closures is not something the RMT can prevent given that it was implemented by TfL years ago and the RDG can simply point to that to justify it.

 

[12LDA28C]

What are the changes to sick pay are they purposing to get rid completely or reduce it?

You can't get rid of sick pay.

 

[DNCharingX]

Let's see if this one breaks through, as DOO seemed to be the sticking point with the last proposal.

It'll be interesting to see the response from the RMT.

 

[greyman42]

I've seen some comments on Twitter, which are very, very negative to the point of vitriolic, and seem mostly to be concentrating on booking offices and associated redundancies, which like it or not ARE going to close.

All of them?

 

[TreacleMiller]

This will pass i suspect. Just makes the last offer adding DOO even more bizarre - certainly screams of someone wanting to prolong the strikes for political gain... Their own personal service level bill perhaps.

 

[RPI]

I wonder if someone more knowledgeable can answer this, the 5% or £1750 for 2022, is this regardless of pay anniversary? The reason I ask is that my grade anniversary is October, so would that mean we would get the £1750?

Ignore that, I've just realised its £1750 on salary doh. I need coffee or something.

 

[brad465]

I've seen some comments on Twitter, which are very, very negative to the point of vitriolic, and seem mostly to be concentrating on booking offices and associated redundancies, which like it or not ARE going to close.

If that's the hill they're going to die on, then this is going to go on a very, very long time, and the rest of it (possibly including DOO) will end up being imposed through fire-and-rehire. Not a good situation.

Booking offices and associated redundancies really need to come out of this negotiation and be dealt with separately.

Is Twitter representative of the wider union membership? (it's certainly not representative of an abundance of other subjects/views in this world)

 

[Railwayowl80]

You can't get rid of sick pay.

you are entitled to SSP I meant like as in I get full pay for 6 months then half for 6 month but always felt they were gonna try change that as this is the only job I’ve ever had that level of sick pay not use to it

 

[greyman42]

Is Twitter representative of the wider union membership? (it's certainly not representative of an abundance of other subjects/views in this world)

I would hope not as Twitter is a cesspit.

 

[jack31439]

While we await the RMT's stance on it, I don't think we are far away at all here. Some of the language is vague as ever, the stuff around Christmas Day and Boxing Day doesn't seem to make much sense unless they are enforcing the entire railway to shutdown for this period. I have worked the last 3 Boxing Days in a row. The minimum 1750 pay rise is a very good addition too. I think the RMT are somewhat aware this will also set a precedent for not only the rail industry but perhaps even the public sector as a whole, so are treading carefully. Hopefully it gets put to members soon.

 

[dk1]

It’s not gone down well at all from the comments & replies I’m reading from colleagues in the RMT.

 

[KM1991]

If this offer goes out to a members vote, will this be done on a TOC by TOC basis? Some conditions relate to some TOCs a lot more than they do to others. Or will it be block vote?

 

[Railwayowl80]

Would people be against the, station groups allowing them to get you to work other stations im guessing if They were short they can beg and borrow from other Stations? But suppose people would have to be trained at other stations first

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While we await the RMT's stance on it, I don't think we are far away at all here. Some of the language is vague as ever, the stuff around Christmas Day and Boxing Day doesn't seem to make much sense unless they are enforcing the entire railway to shutdown for this period. I have worked the last 3 Boxing Days in a row. The minimum 1750 pay rise is a very good addition too. I think the RMT are somewhat aware this will also set a precedent for not only the rail industry but perhaps even the public sector as a whole, so are treading carefully. Hopefully it gets put to members soon.

This one confuses me I’ve worked the last 4 boxing days but always got an extra days holiday for Xmas day so they are maybe taking that off and you have to use one from your own entitlement?

 

[KM1991]

Would people be against the, station groups allowing them to get you to work other stations im guessing if They were short they can beg and borrow from other Stations? But suppose people would have to be trained at other stations first

There is this part, plus the bullet point regarding station grades aligning. For those on the lowest grades, how would they be compensated for becoming multi functional + being made to cover various stations? It’s all very vague.

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Making staff use leave entitlement if they are ‘rostered’ in on Christmas Day and Boxing Day is needlessly petty.

 

[SJN]

Would people be against the, station groups allowing them to get you to work other stations im guessing if They were short they can beg and borrow from other Stations? But suppose people would have to be trained at other stations first

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This one confuses me I’ve worked the last 4 boxing days but always got an extra days holiday for Xmas day so they are maybe taking that off and you have to use one from your own entitlement?

At my TOC you have to save AL days to cover Xmas & Boxing Day unless they fall on your normal rest days. If you don’t do this, you don’t get paid for them. Our TOC doesn’t run a service on either day.

 

[Bletchleyite]

All of them?

The vast majority at least.

 

[dk1]

Making staff use leave entitlement if they are ‘rostered’ in on Christmas Day and Boxing Day is needlessly petty.

I am too at a loss to understand why the RDG would even pursue such an aspiration if they seriously want a deal.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I am too at a loss to understand why the RDG would even pursue such an aspiration if they seriously want a deal.

Why would you roster traincrew in on a day the trains aren't operating?

 

[Railwayowl80]

At my TOC you have to save AL days to cover Xmas & Boxing Day unless they fall on your normal rest days. If you don’t do this, you don’t get paid for them. Our TOC doesn’t run a service on either day.

Yeah kinda same don’t run a service on either but say I get 30 holidays a year they always give us 31 the extra one to be saved for Xmas day as nobody goes into work
Boxing Day we go in so if we wanted to book it off you have to use a days leave

 

[SJN]

Yeah kinda same don’t run a service on either but say I get 30 holidays a year they always give us 31 the extra one to be saved for Xmas day as nobody goes into work
Boxing Day we go in so if we wanted to book it off you have to use a days leave

We don’t get an extra one. We just have to save from our existing allowance.