First of all I did point out the rumour regarding a pizza box helping track him down was dismissed. Second, if Greta did not run her Twitter account, we would almost certainly have found out by now, as the huge movement against her, particularly in the press, would have investigated her to the point they could determine who operates it.
Do you have a specific reason to doubt that Ms Thunberg writes her own tweets?
And more to the point, why she wouldn’t, but Tate (an even higher profile person) would?
It’s baffling why someone who is the father to six daughters would spend even a moment defending any of this rapey bloke’s character or opinions.
I am personally very suspicious of Greta Thunberg and her activities. There is something very suspicious going on and i personally suspect she is just an actor. This is just my suspicion and i can not be 100% sure but to me it looks like there are other people in control of her activities. So i highly doubt her Twitter is run by her.
I never said he was a good person. For the record i do not think he is a good person. I just said that i agree with many of his viewpoints when it comes to many political issues. You can agree with people on certain subjects without liking the person.
Indeed many abhorrent people have still had some sensible viewpoints. These people are not completely crazy and said some sensible things. I agree with a few of the things that Hitler said and of course he was a terrible person. So even Hitler said some sensible things and had a view sensible policies despite most of his other views and policies being terrible. Another one is Xi Jinping has many sensible policies and has done quite a good few things that i really agree with. But overall he is a terrible authoritarian leader and has turned China in to a surveillance state with very little freedom. Kim Jong Un is another one who could be praised for a couple of things he has done despite being a crazy leader when it comes to most things.
Of course that doesn't mean he was good. They may just have been brainwashed by the Libyan state and its media organs. I'm sure you'll find a lot of people in Russia who support Putin, unfortunately, because they have been brainwashed by the Russian state and media to do so.
I have been to Russia multiple times (it is one of my favourite countries to visit) and Vladimir Putin is indeed a lot more popular than you would think. I have spoken to quite a few young people in Russia who like him too but especially among the older generation he is very popular. A lot of older people seem very fond of him. I have even been once since the war started (i went at the end of August last year) and he still seems fairly popular among many people even with the war going on which i did not expect.
It's also worth remembering that the Reference points include such gems as Jospeh Stalin and Boris Yeltsin, you don't have to be particuarly nice or competent to seem like a local high-point.
Have you ever wondered whether things are a bit more complex than "See this evil person, they said some good things, so you know, even though lots of other people said the same thing as well, why not use it to defend their character?"
I totally accept that many of Tate’s views are within the boundaries of acceptable discourse and you absolutely have the right to hold them. The question I would ask is why you would choose to use him as a source of those views, when you could note the same views from people who are not so objectionable.
Where do we draw the line here? Is it ok to spend money in countries which continue to maintain relationships with Russia — because I have done that multiple times in the last year.
If you don’t know who Russ is and have never read his misogynistic sex blog you’re already winning.
Ah, I’m suddenly delighted, that I don’t know who he is.
Are you trolling us? What exactly do you agree with Hitler about? I'm sure you did find a few people who praised Gaddafi, those who criticised him often ended up dead.
And Jimmy Saville raised millions for charities, Oscar Pistorius inspired many paraplegics around the world, and Mussolini made the trains run on time. No-one is perfect, but sometimes someone goes too far and they are bad example to use, no matter what other good things they've done. If you genuinely like the "good things" about Andrew Tate, try finding someone else who also has those good views/attributes but is not tainted by other behaviour, and if in the case of Tate he get's found guilty, a serious criminal background. There are 8 billion people on this planet, it can't be that hard.
. I'm not usually of the 'lock him up and throw away the key' persuasion, but in his case... Well done to the Roumanians:hope they keep finding reasons to keep him in detention. Wonder if, like Prince Andrew, the big baby has his teddy bear collection with him.
I think @busestrains is just digging themselves into a hole. A hole that will be hard to get out of, if they continue.
Personally I don't think positive male role models necessarily has to solely mean the father, and I would definitely say it is possible to have more than one role model for different reasons. In my case, my primary male model was my martial arts teacher, and one of the roles he accepted in his job was also being a surrogate father to other students. He was wise, respectful, firm yet fair, and even had a good sense of humour and was humble despite the fact he is an exceptionally skilled individual. I genuinely believe more people like him would make the world a better place, and while I might not have known him very long I found him so influential that when writing my own fantasy novel I thought him the perfect person to model the mentor figure after rather than a typical old paragon like Gandalf (love him by the way).
I am not specifically choosing him as a source of these views. It is just that i have seen a lot of his videos and agree with him on many points when it comes to politics and foreign affairs and related subjects. A lot of my grandchildren watch Andrew Tate and his videos. In fact i think the way i first found out about him was through my grandchildren. So i have ended up watching some of his stuff and agreeing with him on certain points. Of course there are better people with these views but i was just pointing out that not everything that Andrew Tate says is bad unlike what the media tries to paint.
Sanctions have nothing to do with me. Sanctions have zero impact on what countries i choose to visit. That is something the government has done and has absolutely nothing to do with ordinary people like me. I have visited many countries who the west puts sanctions on and it would never stop me from visiting. I completely disagree with all sanctions anyway. We need to stop getting ourselves involved in foreign issues. What is going on is a matter between the Ukraine and Russia only and really nothing to do with our country. I am against all sanctions against any country. I think we need to worry about our own country instead rather than a dispute between two countries that has nothing to do with us.
I recommend reading up about what Gaddafi did for his country. Under his leadership Libya was the most stable country in Africa with the highest standard of living. He built up his country very well. But sadly now Libya is a complete and utter mess run by hundreds of terrorist groups. Say what you want about him but Libya was a million times better under his leadership than it is now. Obviously that does not justify any of the other things he was accused of but what i am saying is that many people had legitimate reasons to like him.
I am not digging myself any hole. I stand by what i have said here. My original point that i made still stands that Andrew Tate has said many sensible things that i agree with when it comes to his political views. That does not mean i agree with him on other topics nor does it mean i think he is a good person. But i think there is nothing wrong with agreeing with people on certain things even if they are overall a bad person and have said other bad things. Everyone is entitled to their own views and people are free to disagree with me but that is how i personally view it.
Can you give us some examples? I have read a lot of what he says and found nothing of value. Maybe i have missed some pearls.
Even if you go watching his videos for the things you may agree on, automatically you are roped in hearing the misogyny and sexism whether you want it or not. Is it such a good influence on your grandchildren to be watching these horrific person, especially when now most of this language he has used, circulates around school and is targeted at girls in school?
Quite, a responsible adult would steer children away from people like Tate.
With respect, that sounds like "I'm all right Jack". Who cares if Ukraine is suffering greatly, the rest of the world should ignore it, let's just let that imperialist monster Putin invade territory that's not his, and rebuild the USSR. I would certainly never visit Russia while Putin is in power, and even beyond: basically it's off my list until they become a real democracy and stop picking on their neighbours. But it doesn't even have to be that extreme: I would never visit Turkey while the imperialist authoritarian Erdogan is in power. Choosing to visit pseudo-democratic countries ruled by pseudo-tyrants is legitimising the regime, while boycotting them sends a clear message to their population if their tourist industry takes a hit.
