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The biggest fallacy about Tate and his ilk is that they are 'Alpha Males'. No woman with a brain and a miasma of self-worth would entertain a relationship of any description with him, unless seduced by the illusion they'd get a trouble-free payday out of him, which would never happen. I daresay his sexual prowess might match that rumoured of Donald Trump, as does his 'magnetism':rolleyes:. I'm not usually of the 'lock him up and throw away the key' persuasion, but in his case... Well done to the Roumanians:hope they keep finding reasons to keep him in detention. Wonder if, like Prince Andrew, the big baby has his teddy bear collection with him.
I can think of several ladies i know, including my own late lady, who would be delighted to have an encounter with Tate....unfortunately, for Tate, he would find such encounters as far removed from delightful as possible...

As for the "Alpha male " narcissus posturing by those who like to brag about being such...how about, for starters, a night on Kinder Scout in winter..not too bad, then say, a wander up Striding Edge, in the wind, winter optional ...moving on to Crib Goch, anytime of the year really....and then a few nights, alone, on the Cairngorm plateau....in winter. The tears would be flowing within minutes....all these self projected "Alpha males " are the same....insecure, weak bullies
 
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I am not specifically choosing him as a source of these views. It is just that i have seen a lot of his videos and agree with him on many points when it comes to politics and foreign affairs and related subjects. A lot of my grandchildren watch Andrew Tate and his videos. In fact i think the way i first found out about him was through my grandchildren. So i have ended up watching some of his stuff and agreeing with him on certain points. Of course there are better people with these views but i was just pointing out that not everything that Andrew Tate says is bad unlike what the media tries to paint.
That doesn't matter. Tate's central philosophy is that he hates women, sees his role as to control them and extract sex from them. He'd do that to your daughters and, if you have any, your granddaughters.

Nobody needs you to explain that a man who is a total danger doesn't say 100% bad things all the time. My dude, he's a rapey human trafficker who keeps women captive to make money from sex shows on the internet. The fact he also has dodgy opinions about Russia (what kind of misogynist in the same line of grift doesn't?) which match yours is neither here nor there.

What is going on is a matter between the Ukraine and Russia only and really nothing to do with our country. I am against all sanctions against any country. I think we need to worry about our own country instead rather than a dispute between two countries that has nothing to do with us.
A blissfully ignorant and amoral take. A war on the frontier of Europe is absolutely the UK's - and the EU's - business.

I recommend reading up about what Gaddafi did for his country. Under his leadership Libya was the most stable country in Africa with the highest standard of living. He built up his country very well.
Yes, and industrial productivity under Nazi Germany was vast, and most Germans became more prosperous. But I don't think you'll find many people willing to defend Nazi Germany's record on worker holidays, GDP, re-employment etc. I wonder why that is?

In the west we seem to also have this double standard where we love to criticise people like Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping and Muammar Gaddafi and Andrew Tate etc (i am not disagreeing that they deserve to be criticised) but many other people who are equally as bad are loved if they are an ally of the western governments. Vladimir Zelensky
He name is Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

of the Ukraine
It's just "Ukraine", more Russian shilling. "The" Ukraine refers to the area as a region of Russia.

seems to be loved by many people and all of the mainstream media but in reality he is equally as bad as Vladimir Putin is.
Unmoored from reality again.

He has banned pro Russian media and pro Russia political parties in the Ukraine which is the same sort of thing that Vladimir Putin does.
Incredibly, on the outbreak of WWII, Britain banned German media and there was state censorship. That seems like a relatively uncontroversial thing for a country at war to do to its opponent, particularly when it has been invaded by its neighbour who has started an ethnic war.

This is probably going off topic now from Andrew Tate but all i am trying to say is that we seem to have double standards of who we will accept criticism of and who we will accept praise of.
Let me be really clear, Tate's a rapey conman with a hateful and reductive worldview who almost exclusively has unintelligent and mediocre men sticking up for him. That is the whole foundation of the alpha-male movement: unsuccessful, pusillanimous, unattractive men, with a dearth of meaning to their lives, circling "Top G" and other influencers, never having meaningful or organic relationships with women who respect them.

Even if you did agree with some of his points - and who is to say Tate has never said a single thing, once, that *I* might agree with? - only someone with no self-awareness or tact would try to defend him, or use the opportunity as a platform to express a defence of a dictator who illegally invaded a neighbouring country.

Everyone is entitled to their own views and people are free to disagree with me but that is how i personally view it.
You are privileged to live in a free country where people can freely read and disagree with your views. Now try living in Libya or Russia under their respective dictatorships you've defended and try to suggest their governments are fundamentally bad, as you've done here with the British government.
 

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What is going on is a matter between the Ukraine and Russia only and really nothing to do with our country. I am against all sanctions against any country. I think we need to worry about our own country instead rather than a dispute between two countries that has nothing to do with us.
Have you ever studied history? Perhaps reading up on 1930s Germany might be in order, because there are huge parallels between between what happened then and what has happened now. For Hitler's annexation of parts of Czechoslovakia, read Putin doing the same with Crimea. For Poland, read Ukraine. Would you consider that Hitler should not have been confronted and just left to get on with taking over other countries?

Vladimir Zelensky of the Ukraine seems to be loved by many people and all of the mainstream media but in reality he is equally as bad as Vladimir Putin is. He has banned pro Russian media and pro Russia political parties in the Ukraine which is the same sort of thing that Vladimir Putin does. I am not a fan of how he has handled the war either and his refusal to negotiate but that is a topic for another thread. So to be honest Zelensky is no better than Putin in my view.
First, perhaps you could get Volodymyr Zelenskyy's name correct?

I think your world view is at best naïve. If you are genuinely equating Zelenskyy with Putin, then you need to give your head a wobble and really think it through. For starters, Zelenskyy has never ordered the invasion of another sovereign country.
 

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We need to stop getting ourselves involved in foreign issues. What is going on is a matter between the Ukraine and Russia only and really nothing to do with our country. I am against all sanctions against any country. I think we need to worry about our own country instead rather than a dispute between two countries that has nothing to do with us.
I wasn't going to reply to anything else you posted about this topic, but since this isn't about Mr Tate himself...

What planet are you on? A country that has declared itself an enemy to us, which has conducted both radiological and chemical attacks against us and our people, launched a war of annihilation against an allied country which borders more than one of our closest allies - yet it's not our business.

Every time I think I've heard the most idiotic thing someone could say...
 

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Ok. I think we’re starting to stray a little here. Obviously we’ve got a thread on the war in Ukraine already and some of the above fits into the discussion about Tate that we’ve been having.
It’s best that it doesn’t develop too much further than that though and we start to get back on topic from here.

Thanks everyone
 

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My own views on Tate is that he's entitled to an opinion. I don't agree with some of them. A few of his outbursts on what it takes to be a man are a bit puerile.

However....those suggesting that overly 'Alpha' types aren't what a lot of women are attracted to are deluding themselves. Secretly, they love the muscular bad boy types. They won't say nice things about them in public but will reward them in private. I've known plenty of this type down the years and whilst maybe short on genuine friends and class, they aren't short of women who biologically just can't enough of them. The chance of being able to 'tame' the Alpha is also a massive but appealing challenge.

Naturally if he's found guilty of any charges then by all means punish him.
 

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I would have assumed most people I know of would find everything about Tate abhorrent. But it’s been disappointing to see that my favourite YouTuber ‘Bald and Bankrupt’ (known for exploring former Soviet states) has revealed himself to be a fan of Tate (or ‘Top G’ as he is known to his silly fans). At first I thought he was joking, but it’s clear he is not.

However....those suggesting that overly 'Alpha' types aren't what a lot of women are attracted to are deluding themselves. Secretly, they love the muscular bad boy types. They won't say nice things about them in public but will reward them in private. I've known plenty of this type down the years and whilst maybe short on genuine friends and class, they aren't short of women who biologically just can't enough of them. The chance of being able to 'tame' the Alpha is also a massive but appealing challenge.
It’s quite a sweeping statement to say ‘they love the muscular bad guy’. There may be some truth in that, but not all women are attracted to that. In the same way that not all straight men are interested in the stereotypical Barbie doll type of woman. Sure, many women will find muscular men attractive, but many would find a man with emotional immaturity and shallow interests of expensive cars and so on rather boring, and find his personality creepy. Sure, there are plenty of shallow women about just interested in money and image, but a lot of women would find that deeply unattractive.
 
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I suspect bussesandtrains might need to read more deeply around a number of subjects.

First stage is to stop watching crank conspiracy nonsense on you tube!
 

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I would have assumed most people I know of would find everything about Tate abhorrent. But it’s been disappointing to see that my favourite YouTuber ‘Bald and Bankrupt’ (known for exploring former Soviet states) has revealed himself to be a fan of Tate (or ‘Top G’ as he is known to his silly fans). At first I thought he was joking, but it’s clear he is not.
You might want to do some reading about Mr Rich-Swift and his rape trial which collapsed about 20 years ago, as well as the circle of misogynist friends he keeps.

It is no surprise to hear he loves Tate.
 

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You might want to do some reading about Mr Rich-Swift and his rape trial which collapsed about 20 years ago, as well as the circle of misogynist friends he keeps.

Yes, I’ve heard some very dodgy things about him. There is a YouTube video from someone who has exposed him - at first I thought it would be a load of rubbish from someone jealous of him (as such videos usually are) but it is genuine and well put together. Let’s just say I’m not sure I’d trust him around women….
I’m disappointed as I found many of his videos to be excellent and they helped me get even more interested in Eastern Europe. Clearly there was a lot more that interested him in these places other than old Soviet bus stops and mosaics….!
 
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I would have assumed most people I know of would find everything about Tate abhorrent. But it’s been disappointing to see that my favourite YouTuber ‘Bald and Bankrupt’ (known for exploring former Soviet states) has revealed himself to be a fan of Tate (or ‘Top G’ as he is known to his silly fans). At first I thought he was joking, but it’s clear he is not.
I haven't watched any of his videos, even though the subject matter (Eastern Europe/former Soviet states) is deeply fascinating to me. Now I know to avoid them outright.
 
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As someone said earlier, checking for views on this is a good litmus test as to whether carry on speaking to someone etc.

I've no time for "cancel culture" but much time for exercising personal choice as to where to spend time, money and effort and with who. Gaslighting about bad people who have supposedly done good things?? And a freak dictator who is in complete control of a country's media but chooses not to use that to brainwash??

We're not as stupid as I think the person I'm talking about sounds.
 
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You might want to do some reading about Mr Rich-Swift and his rape trial which collapsed about 20 years ago, as well as the circle of misogynist friends he keeps.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldAndBal...aldandbankrupt_central_dossier_newbies_start/ is a definitive source to Rich-Swift and his activities.

There's an interesting crowd of creeps around him too.

But going back to Andrew Tate, I strongly suspect there's a bit more to this story than meets the eye. I suspect that he's in too deep in Romania, and that he might well have crossed the wrong person/people by flashing wealth without providing a kickback to the right people.

I haven't watched any of his videos, even though the subject matter (Eastern Europe/former Soviet states) is deeply fascinating to me. Now I know to avoid them outright.

Avoid him like the plague. I can highly recommend this to you: https://www.youtube.com/@KiunB - they are calm, informative and very fascinating.
 

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But going back to Andrew Tate, I strongly suspect there's a bit more to this story than meets the eye. I suspect that he's in too deep in Romania, and that he might well have crossed the wrong person/people by flashing wealth without providing a kickback to the right people.
Oh, almost certainly. Romania is over of those countries where you can do pretty much whatever you want, as long as you keep the right people sweet. (Much like the UK these days.)
 

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On the subject of Andrew Tate one thing i have always wondered is why he moved to Romania. It just seems a very odd choice for a multi millionaire who has no family connections there or anything like that for him to choose Romania. You might expect a move to Dubai but Romania is the last place i would expect someone like him to move to. He has explained partially in some of his videos but i suspect there must be another real reason. I think there has to be a real reason for choosing Romania that he is not telling us.

What is even more baffling is that he and his brother live in a warehouse in a random suburb. It is not even a particularly nice or wealthy area. If you look around the area it is a very run down area full of lots of abandoned buildings and dodgy looking streets. You would expect a multi millionaire like him to have a nice house in a nice area and not just a warehouse. I have never known of anyone let alone a millionaire to live in a warehouse. It all seems very odd and unusual.

We do not know yet if Andrew Tate is guilty or not. But if he is found not guilty or released then i do wonder if he will move again to another country. If he does it shall be interesting to see where he chooses next.
 
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On the subject of Andrew Tate one thing i have always wondered is why he moved to Romania. It just seems a very odd choice for a multi millionaire who has no family connections there or anything like that for him to choose Romania. You might expect a move to Dubai but Romania is the last place i would expect someone like him to move to. He has explained partially in some of his videos but i suspect there must be another real reason. I think there has to be a real reason for choosing Romania that he is not telling us.
the laws are more relaxed i believe.
 

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Didn't he openly admit that he went there precisely because he could get away with more things?
 

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Avoid him like the plague. I can highly recommend this to you: https://www.youtube.com/@KiunB - they are calm, informative and very fascinating.
An excellent recommendation and leagues ahead of B&B just from the video thumbnails alone. Cheers.

Didn't he openly admit that he went there precisely because he could get away with more things?
Knowing the kind of person he is, that wouldn't surprise me in the least. If true, it's obviously backfired spectacularly.
 

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Because its easier to bribe people in Romania apparently. Although its rather confusing. But makes as much sense as the rest of his drivel like how he thinks all female soldiers and police officers are fake actors.

 

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It all seems very odd and unusual.
The word you are looking for is "criminal".
But makes as much sense as the rest of his drivel like how he thinks all female soldiers and police officers are fake actors.
I suspect that what he says and what he actually thinks aren't necessarily the same. The former is, of course, driven by what will make him the most money.
 

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I suspect that what he says and what he actually thinks aren't necessarily the same. The former is, of course, driven by what will make him the most money.
Maybe but who knows, there are enough of this right wing grifters who really do seem to believe the nonsense they come out with. Even if he doesn't believe it he expresses it offensively such as the example in the video i posted earlier in this thread, he said in the video that the men were fighting in Ukraine while the women were all really doing their nails in Dubai. :rolleyes:
 

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Maybe but who knows, there are enough of this right wing grifters who really do seem to believe the nonsense they come out with.
Oh, you have to appear sincere for the grift to work. But I'm pretty sure that Alex Jones (remember him) didn't actually believe that the water was turning the frogs gay!
 

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Some of his reasons for moving to Romania might have been criminal but i suspect there must other reasons too. He could have simply moved to Dubai instead. In the United Arab Emirates they have far worse rights for women and far worse human rights and he probably could have got away with his activities very easily. So the fact he choose Romania just seems odd. I suspect he probably knew people in Romania or had some sort of connections to people in Romania that we do not know about.
 

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Some of his reasons for moving to Romania might have been criminal but i suspect there must other reasons too. He could have simply moved to Dubai instead. In the United Arab Emirates they have far worse rights for women and far worse human rights and he probably could have got away with his activities very easily.
It's quite difficult to run a misogynist porn enterprise involving vulnerable white girls from an Islamic emirate though.

So the fact he choose Romania just seems odd.
Does it really? Next you'll be telling us you've no idea why dodgy weapon Bald and Bankrupt spends all his time in impoverished countries full of vulnerable women.
 

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In the United Arab Emirates they have far worse rights for women and far worse human rights and he probably could have got away with his activities very easily.
Dubai isn't known for being a powerhouse in the (soft) pornography industry thought, is it?
 

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Programme about him on Radio 4 at present (07/02 20.00 - 20.40).

Apparently webcam businesses are booming in Romania (and seem to be unregulated and unrestricted) and he wanted to set up a webcam business. Money laundering is also far from unknown there.

Dubai isn't known for being a powerhouse in the (soft) pornography industry thought, is it?
I am pretty sure that most of those in power there and Tate have completely different views about the treatment of women. And from what I heard in the programme, I'm not too sure about 'soft'. Strangling someone until they pass out is not my idea of soft porn and if he is prepared to do it, he may not have any objections to clients doing so. Unfortunately, I suspect we haven't heard the extent of his depravity. And knowing that people look up to him is chilling to say the least.
 
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Now formally charged:


Controversial influencer Andrew Tate has been charged in Romania with rape, human trafficking and forming an organised crime group to sexually exploit women.
His brother Tristan and two associates have also been charged. All have denied the allegations.
The Tate brothers were first arrested at their Bucharest home in December.
In March, they were moved from custody to house arrest following a ruling by a Romanian judge.
The indictment deposited with the Bucharest court says that the four defendants formed an organised criminal group in 2021 to commit human trafficking in Romania, but also in other countries including the US and the UK.
It names seven alleged victims who it says were recruited by the Tate brothers through false promises of love and marriage.
Andrew Tate has been charged with raping one of the victims, while his brother has been charged with instigating others to violence.
The trial will not start immediately and is expected to take several years.
A Romanian a judge now has 60 days to inspect the case files before it can be sent to trial.
 
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