GwR HSTs to be stood down

[150249]

Moving back on topic, which power cars are likely to bite the dust next?

 

[northernbelle]

Repaired and returned to service as per the lease conditions. High hours / miles or not, unless First were willing to fork out for the charges upon Handback, Angel wants a running power car and that is what they’ll have.

I don’t see what’s surprising about that, and particularly given the amount of Turbos out of service awaiting parts and HSTs covering DMU diagrams this week, GW will need all the serviceable stock they can get their hands on.

On paper. Absolutely anything can be negotiated between TOC and leasing company if so required, despite the apparent fixation on 'hard and fast' rules.

 

[fgwrich]

On paper. Absolutely anything can be negotiated between TOC and leasing company if so required, despite the apparent fixation on 'hard and fast' rules.

Of course it can, but given how things have played out between First and Angel over the last few years, sometime's it better to keep those who you lease your fleet from sweet than choose to go down the route of p*ssing them off, no matter how things can be renegotiated. Anyway, as in this case and as expected, 43005 has returned to traffic as per the leasing conditions.

 

[northernbelle]

Of course it can, but given how things have played out between First and Angel over the last few years, sometime's it better to keep those who you lease your fleet from sweet than choose to go down the route of p*ssing them off, no matter how things can be renegotiated. Anyway, as in this case and as expected, 43005 has returned to traffic as per the leasing conditions.

It really wasn't 'expected'. The people determining the future of these vehicles had actually expected to stand it down. The fact it has been able to be put back into traffic is, in fact, unexpected.

 

[fgwrich]

It really wasn't 'expected'. The people determining the future of these vehicles had actually expected to stand it down. The fact it has been able to be put back into traffic is, in fact, unexpected.

Considering that it was part of the lease conditions, it wasn't. But there we go.

 

[87electric]

Can someone confirm this is the correct list of Angel power cars that GWR use, please. Ta.
43004, 005, 009, 010, 016, 022, 027, 029, 040, 041, 042, 170, 171, 172, 186, 187, 188, 189, 192.

 

[43096]

Can someone confirm this is the correct list of Angel power cars that GWR use, please. Ta.
43004, 005, 009, 010, 016, 022, 027, 029, 040, 041, 042, 170, 171, 172, 186, 187, 188, 189, 192.

That's correct (although 43022/041 are now stopped, of course).

 

[50039]

That's correct (although 43022/041 are now stopped, of course).

Could I ask - there are others in service - is there a list of those, and who owns those? Sorry if this is well-known information

 

[43096]

Could I ask - there are others in service - is there a list of those, and who owns those? Sorry if this is well-known information

The rest of the "green fleet" is owned as follows:
First Rail Holdings: 43092-094/097/098/122/153-155/158/194/198
GWR: 43088/156/160/162

 

[50039]

The rest of the "green fleet" is owned as follows:
First Rail Holdings: 43092-094/097/098/122/153-155/158/194/198
GWR: 43088/156/160/162

Thank you - most helpful

 

[winsaw]

Being reported the 43160 is being retired on Saturday, no real surprise as was due it's G exam around the end of December,

 

[fgwrich]

Being reported the 43160 is being retired on Saturday, no real surprise as was due it's G exam around the end of December,

Can’t say I’m surprised given the state of its bodywork!

 

[150249]

Being reported the 43160 is being retired on Saturday, no real surprise as was due it's G exam around the end of December,

I was on that set yesterday. That's sad

 

[Techniquest]

Memories have come flooding back to me of chasing after 43160 many years ago, after foolishly rejecting the train it was on, to find it on the back so a rushed trip to Cardiff was in order! That was quite some years ago now, early 2008 if memory serves correctly!

 

[150249]

I'm surprised 43160 stayed so long. I thought the crash at Plymouth would have made it an early candidate for a spares donor.

 

[fgwrich]

I'm surprised 43160 stayed so long. I thought the crash at Plymouth would have made it an early candidate for a spares donor.

160 was lucky in that there was a spare cab around at the time. Also, with the collision happening in 2016 it was still at least 12 months ahead of the IET introduction and in those days a strong performer too.

 

[150249]

I finally found it this morning after 2 days looking for it.

 

[43096]

Should be last day for 43160, currently working 2U10 0540 Penzance to Cardiff Central with 43198. If it sticks to diagram it should then do:
2C75 1200 Cardiff Central to Taunton
2U22 1520 Taunton to Cardiff Central
2C87 1800 Cardiff Central to Plymouth
And finally…
5C87 2227 Plymouth to Laira T.& R.S.M.D.

 

[irish_rail]

And huge surprise surprise to find 43160 spends its final day mainly between Taunton and Cardiff, ending with a run to Plymouth. Same diagram 43022 ended on. Obviously someone in Swindon wants to ride behind each PC on its last day!

 

[winsaw]

Their are only 2 diagrams that end in Plymouth on a Saturday and diagram 6 the one it's on gives the most for it to do 4 trains, if it was on diagram 7 it would only get a Penzance Cardiff return plus Penzance Plymouth in the evening,
I would say diagram 6 gives more people the chance to ride on and photograph it on its last day,

 

[tricky18jan]

Does anyone have a list or link to the HST diagrams !?

I have tried searching but can’t see anything….

Thanks
Rich

 

[irish_rail]

Their are only 2 diagrams that end in Plymouth on a Saturday and diagram 6 the one it's on gives the most for it to do 4 trains, if it was on diagram 7 it would only get a Penzance Cardiff return plus Penzance Plymouth in the evening,
I would say diagram 6 gives more people the chance to ride on and photograph it on its last day,

I'd always assumed we had more than two per night on Laira , but obviously not.

 

[winsaw]

I'd always assumed we had more than two per night on Laira , but obviously not.

3 Bristol, 3 Penzance & 2 Plymouth at the end of each day,

Does anyone have a list or link to the HST diagrams !?

I have tried searching but can’t see anything….

Thanks
Rich

GWR Castle HST diagrams from 11/12/22

Been given these HST diagrams, thought I would share Saturday 1) 0517 Plymouth - Penzance 0658 0740 Penzance - Plymouth 0937 1015 Plymouth - Penzance 1203 1250 Penzance - Cardiff 1821 1900 Cardiff - Taunton 2055 2128 Taunton - Bristol 2229 2) 0722 Exeter - Penzance 1040 1115 Penzance -...

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The diagram order is not correct I will correct that tomorrow when have time

 

[Annetts key]

And huge surprise surprise to find 43160 spends its final day mainly between Taunton and Cardiff, ending with a run to Plymouth. Same diagram 43022 ended on. Obviously someone in Swindon wants to ride behind each PC on its last day!

Between Taunton and Bristol T.M. the line does have some good views of the countryside
Don’t know about now, but before the announcement of these being withdrawn, it was not difficult to see an up 2+4 passing a down 2+4 at some of the stations on this line.

 

[winsaw]

Looks like 43005 unexpected swansong ends on Wednesday 22 Feb,
There was talk it was going to make the end of the month but it's been out a lot since returning so used it's hours up,
At the moment it's on a diagram that will see it end with 1400 Cardiff - Penzance on Wednesday be interesting to see if it gets moved around on Monday morning to something that gets it to Plymouth,

 

[Brissle Girl]

Between Taunton and Bristol T.M. the line does have some good views of the countryside
Don’t know about now, but before the announcement of these being withdrawn, it was not difficult to see an up 2+4 passing a down 2+4 at some of the stations on this line.

Yes, it often happened at Nailsea.

 

[irish_rail]

Looks like 43005 unexpected swansong ends on Wednesday 22 Feb,
There was talk it was going to make the end of the month but it's been out a lot since returning so used it's hours up,
At the moment it's on a diagram that will see it end with 1400 Cardiff - Penzance on Wednesday be interesting to see if it gets moved around on Monday morning to something that gets it to Plymouth,

Thanks, id assumed that one would have carried on longer seeing as it got repaired but clearly it was only a short term reprieve.

 

[The exile]

Between Taunton and Bristol T.M. the line does have some good views of the countryside
Don’t know about now, but before the announcement of these being withdrawn, it was not difficult to see an up 2+4 passing a down 2+4 at some of the stations on this line.

07.35ish on Friday morning saw 3 simultaneously at Filton Abbey Wood - 2 as normal, the third substituting for a 5-car 800.

 

[43096]

Thanks, id assumed that one would have carried on longer seeing as it got repaired but clearly it was only a short term reprieve.

It's almost out of mileage to F exam. As the engine has plenty of hours left on it, it wouldn't be a surprise if there was a power unit swap with one that is coming due a QL3 or QL4 engine overhaul.

 

[winsaw]

It's almost out of mileage to F exam. As the engine has plenty of hours left on it, it wouldn't be a surprise if there was a power unit swap with one that is coming due a QL3 or QL4 engine overhaul.

Be interesting to see if they start doing this there are a few that are coming due engine overhaul but will not need a F or G exam until next year,
A couple that are likely to run out of engine hours very soon in 094 & 097 fit the bill perfectly, 005 engine in ever of those would see them working till the end of GWR castle operations,
GWR has 12 powercars that will make December plus another 5 that will definitely make September at the moment I guess it's a question of do they think they will need more,