GwR HSTs to be stood down

[Pete_uk]

No, it is stopped.

Thanks

 

[winsaw]

Posted this earlier in a different thread didn't realize this one was here for such things, looking at the above hopefully of interest,

The next 3 to watch for withdrawal look likely to be,
43009 due engine overhaul end of January
43094 due engine overhaul end of January
This was the reason for 022 being retired,
43160 was due a G exam end of December but has a good engine until the autumn so not sure what's happening with this one,

After these 3 the ones coming up for work by the end of February are
43088 due major exam Feb
43097 due engine overhaul Feb
43158 due major exam Feb

If anyone can add any info please do,
I noticed 9 was out and about yesterday I guess it's last day must be coming up soon,

 

[scotraildriver]

The Scotrail HST project manager has stated that he is compiling a shopping list for GWR HST's. What that list consists of I've no idea!

 

[winsaw]

Have we a list of ones stopped and not coming back out? If I've missed it, apologies. I really must get down to that part of the world and have some spins on the class before it is too late!

3 so far,
005 which court fire not officially confirmed but seams very unlikely to return,
022 stopped yesterday in need of engine overhaul
041 needs a major exam and engine overhaul,

 

[Techniquest]

3 so far,
005 which court fire not officially confirmed but seams very unlikely to return,
022 stopped yesterday in need of engine overhaul
041 needs a major exam and engine overhaul,

Thanks! I've had them all in the distant past, but it would be nice to add a few more journeys to my logs. I now know which ones I won't find any time soon, and it looks like my ride from Gloucester to Worcester a number of Sundays back was a good decision!

 

[fgwrich]

3 so far,
005 which court fire not officially confirmed but seams very unlikely to return,
022 stopped yesterday in need of engine overhaul
041 needs a major exam and engine overhaul,

I wouldn't write off 005 just yet, the repairs will still be needed to be conducted before any handback is carried out, and as the component is under warranty then it'll likely be fixed at their expense than GW / Angels.

 

[43096]

I wouldn't write off 005 just yet, the repairs will still be needed to be conducted before any handback is carried out, and as the component is under warranty then it'll likely be fixed at their expense than GW / Angels.

43005 is also due F exam soon.

 

[150249]

Was 43160 the one that crashed in Plymouth or the one that caught fire in exeter? I always get mixed up between 160 and 164

 

[fgwrich]

Was 43160 the one that crashed in Plymouth or the one that caught fire in exeter? I always get mixed up between 160 and 164

It certainly was 160 which had an unfortunate meeting with 150219 in Plymouth!

You’re right about 164 barbecuing itself in Exeter, 138 had a small fire in Penzance in 2018 and 004 in Swindon in 2017.

 

[150249]

Ah ok cheers

It's a shame. 43022 was leading the latest HST I was on. 0852 from Exeter St David's to Bristol Temple Meads 30/12/2022. I thought I had snapped a photo of it but I can't find one.

 

[fgwrich]

I asked on Twitter. It probably won't get used elsewhere so it will probably end up getting scrapped at some point.

Everything will ultimately get scrapped at some point, but as 022 belongs to Angel Trains it will be up to them what and where it goes. For all we know, they may have a new lessor, or buyer, lined up (and someone prepared to give it the overhauls it requires). There’s no guarantee the FRH or GWR ones will go direct to Newport either, despite the rumour mill / platform end wibble / doom-mongerings over the last few days about “022 going straight from service to Newport”.

 

[adc82140]

Everything will ultimately get scrapped at some point, but as 022 belongs to Angel Trains it will be up to them what and where it goes. For all we know, they may have a new lessor, or buyer, lined up (and someone prepared to give it the overhauls it requires). There’s no guarantee the FRH or GWR ones will go direct to Newport either, despite the rumour mill / platform end wibble / doom-mongerings over the last few days about “022 going straight from service to Newport”.

There's those HST vehicles from the first round of GWR/FGW withdrawal parked up at Ely as well. Storage isn't free, so Angel must have some sort of plan.

 

[fgwrich]

There's those HST vehicles from the first round of GWR/FGW withdrawal parked up at Ely as well. Storage isn't free, so Angel must have some sort of plan.

Some of what’s left have recently began to move out, so along with the remaining 317s, they’ll be space in Ely to fill again.

 

[adc82140]

Some of what’s left have recently began to move out, so along with the remaining 317s, they’ll be space in Ely to fill again.

Is that very recently? I knew the 317s are off from there soon, didn't realise that there had been a HST clear out.

 

[fgwrich]

Is that very recently? I knew the 317s are off from there soon, didn't realise that there had been a HST clear out.

Indeed. 2 x Prototype Mk3s to 125 Preservation (now at the Nene Valley) with potentially more (not to 125 Pres) to leave soon.

 

[Dan G]

Where are they going to go/might be going?

 

[CJSwan]

The Scotrail HST project manager has stated that he is compiling a shopping list for GWR HST's. What that list consists of I've no idea!

Hopefully carriages that have slightly less corroded roofs?

 

[Christmas]

Hopefully carriages that have slightly less corroded roofs?

I'm sure I read on this forum that ASLEF will instruct drivers to refuse HSTs from August, the third anniversary of Carmont. It will be interesting to see where this leads in the coming months.
No point in ScotRail taking redundant GWR stock in that case.

 

[in_the_west]

Where are they going to go/might be going?

I would say most likely to Sims Metals in Newport...

 

[Choo choo 66]

Does anybody know the status of 43186? I’ve not seen it out for a long time

 

[43096]

Does anybody know the status of 43186? I’ve not seen it out for a long time

At Laira on a prolonged (as is now traditional at LA) G exam.

 

[fgwrich]

3 so far,
005 which court fire not officially confirmed but seams very unlikely to return,
022 stopped yesterday in need of engine overhaul
041 needs a major exam and engine overhaul,

As expected, 43005 returned to service today (the 31st) and was out and about covering a 158 diagram on the 07.56 Bristol TM - Penzance.

 

[winsaw]

As 005 was stopped for fire repairs means it didn't run up the hours expected so the F exam that was due end of December is now not due till end of February start of March,
As GWR are not doing F's on them it's quite likely it's only got a short unexpected reprieve,

 

[northernbelle]

As 005 was stopped for fire repairs means it didn't run up the hours expected so the F exam that was due end of December is now not due till end of February start of March,
As GWR are not doing F's on them it's quite likely it's only got a short unexpected reprieve,

Indeed - suspect the alternator has been swapped out with a good one to keep it going temporarily.
It's otherwise high on hours so catch it while you can - it is a surprise return to service given the overall situation with the fleet.

 

[fgwrich]

Indeed - suspect the alternator has been swapped out with a good one to keep it going temporarily.
It's otherwise high on hours so catch it while you can - it is a surprise return to service given the overall situation with the fleet.

Repaired and returned to service as per the lease conditions. High hours / miles or not, unless First were willing to fork out for the charges upon Handback, Angel wants a running power car and that is what they’ll have.

I don’t see what’s surprising about that, and particularly given the amount of Turbos out of service awaiting parts and HSTs covering DMU diagrams this week, GW will need all the serviceable stock they can get their hands on.

 

[43096]

Indeed - suspect the alternator has been swapped out with a good one to keep it going temporarily.
It's otherwise high on hours so catch it while you can - it is a surprise return to service given the overall situation with the fleet.

It’s high on mileage, not hours. It is mileage that determines the major exam (E, F or G) stop. Engine life is determined on engine hours as per the MDEC: as far as I know 005 still has plenty of life until it’s next QL3 or QL4.

 

[Annetts key]

Repaired and returned to service as per the lease conditions. High hours or not, unless First were willing to fork out for the charges upon Handback, Angel wants a running power car and that is what they’ll have.

I don’t see what’s surprising about that, and particularly given the amount of Turbos out of service awaiting parts and HSTs covering DMU diagrams this week, GW will need all the serviceable stock they can get their hands on.

So, what happens if the number of serviceable Turbos is still not enough after most of all of the 2+4 HST sets have been withdrawn, are we back to lots of cancellations?

 

[5562]

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[fgwrich]

So, what happens if the number of serviceable Turbos is still not enough after most of all of the 2+4 HST sets have been withdrawn, are we back to lots of cancellations?

No idea, HST stand down program gets delayed is my bet. Given that the lack of parts is affecting both GWR and Chiltern fleets then it could be a while before we see the issue resolved. At least nothing else is waiting for the HSTs, so other than Exam Miles & the DfT, there's little else stopping GWR retaining a few for a little longer until various Turbo's / Sprinters etc are returned to traffic.

005s diagram on Tuesday was covering for a failed 158, itself covering for an absent Turbo.

 

[GoneSouth]

Thanks! I've had them all in the distant past, but it would be nice to add a few more journeys to my logs. I now know which ones I won't find any time soon, and it looks like my ride from Gloucester to Worcester a number of Sundays back was a good decision!

I will miss them when they’re gone, always a nice surprise to get one from Bristol on the Worcester route on a Sunday. Good choice to do it a few weeks ago as the journey has been split at Gloucester for the last few weeks and replaced by bus!