It would have to be from Euston all the way until Stafford which is a 1/4 of the entire west coast MainlineWhat part of the WCML has the longest stretch of continuous 125mph running? I’m intrigued
It would have to be from Euston all the way until Stafford which is a 1/4 of the entire west coast MainlineWhat part of the WCML has the longest stretch of continuous 125mph running? I’m intrigued
That's not continuous 125mph. Several stretches of lower speed limits, notably including 100mph around Atherstone.It would have to be from Euston all the way until Stafford which is a 1/4 of the entire west coast Mainline
However, looking at station usage data alone, it is clear that York has the edge here. Only pre-covid, in 2019/20, York was pushing 10 million passengers per annum, which is more than threefold of the combined total of the two main Warrington stations. On a railway-importance ranking, Warrington is probably more equivalent to Barnsley.Just a small point about my hometown: Warrington is a lot larger than many people think (211,200 population according to ONS) and York is smaller than people think (201,672 from the same source).
Of course, it's never going to have the tourist market York has (nor would it ever aim for that). But economically it has done well even when the rest of the country is facing hard times, from the 1980s onwards.
It is not a small place, business or population-wise.
Not that I'm offended - I did move away, and it's not the nicest place.
The former 16:30 was 4hrs and 8 mins for Euston, Preston and Glasgow Central only. (The train now has other stops added to it)If the Glasgow fasts were fast to, say Preston, it might be a far more equal comparison.
Sorry, but the East Coast just does it better. Beat it!
And my point is that Warrington (and Preston) probably have the population to support a better service.
Passenger figures at WBQ would probably double if those going to/from Earlestown and Runcorn East actually paid for their tickets.However, looking at station usage data alone, it is clear that York has the edge here. Only pre-covid, in 2019/20, York was pushing 10 million passengers per annum, which is more than threefold of the combined total of the two main Warrington stations. On a railway-importance ranking, Warrington is probably more equivalent to Barnsley.
It would have to be from Euston all the way until Stafford which is a 1/4 of the entire west coast Mainline
And the ECML still has the Up only Flying Scotsman in 4 hours with one stop and historically had one, two or three trains each way timed at 3h59 with two stops...The former 16:30 was 4hrs and 8 mins for Euston, Preston and Glasgow Central only. (The train now has other stops added to it)
Hardly a fair comparison considering London is east of Edinburgh and Edinburgh is east of Glasgow.So let’s say I wanted to go direct from London to Edinburgh on the WCML and direct from London to Glasgow on the ECML, which one would take less time?
So let’s say I wanted to go direct from London to Edinburgh on the WCML and direct from London to Glasgow on the ECML, which one would take less time?
6h05 EUS-EDB (via BHM, there are no truly direct services, only through services) vs 5h50 KGX-GLC.So let’s say I wanted to go direct from London to Edinburgh on the WCML and direct from London to Glasgow on the ECML, which one would take less time?
Where's that like button?!This thread feels like two bald men fighting over a comb. Who cares if it takes 10 minutes longer one way vs the other over 350 miles.
This thread feels like two bald men fighting over a comb. Who cares if it takes 10 minutes longer one way vs the other over 350 miles.
Now do the same comparison for Wednesday 21st June.What a poor relation the West Coast operation is compared to the ECML. Just 13 direct EUS-GLC services today (Saturday) each running well over five hours. LNER in comparison have no less than 32 trains KGX-EDB, many at near weekday timings. Is there so little demand to GLC at weekends such that Avanti can just abandon any thought of a serious operation?
It's 49 miles of 125mph (EPS, Pendolino) between Watford Tunnel north portal and the Weedon reverse curves, which are 120, and then Kilsby Tunnel at 110 before 125 resumes.What part of the WCML has the longest stretch of continuous 125mph running? I’m intrigued
Faster, straighter, yes, not "better".It’s historical. The LNER was always better than the LMS.
There are 14 fast services from Glasgow to London in the Saturday WTT. From Edinburgh to London there are a 24 LNER and 5 Lumo services. A difference yes, but not one that's that big.
The tourists are mainly seasonal/weekends.A difference that probably reflects the demand. Nice though Glasgow is, it's not a tourist destination in the way Edinburgh is.
The tourists are mainly seasonal/weekends.
Edinburgh won't have the same advantage over Glasgow in the winter.
The tourists are mainly seasonal/weekends.
Edinburgh won't have the same advantage over Glasgow in the winter.
Glasgow has its own cultural attractions, and maybe twice the population catchment.
There's also nothing to stop a WCML Lumo-type service to Glasgow.
But Lumo won't try with its parent FG running Avanti for DfT.
Disagree. Tourists go to Edinburgh all year round, e.g. for Christmas markets.
The London-Glasgow air market is of similar size.
LGW to EDI | 36451 | LGW to GLA | 33699 |
LHR to EDI | 88233 | LHR to GLA | 72666 |
LCY to EDI | 31198 | LCY to GLA | 18688 |
LTN to EDI | 24104 | LTN to GLA | 21333 |
STN to EDI | 46548 | STN to GLA | 16717 |
Total | 226534 | 163103 |
How long will Euston-Glasgow take when HS2 phase 1 gets built?The former 16:30 was 4hrs and 8 mins for Euston, Preston and Glasgow Central only. (The train now has other stops added to it)
As it stands today? it won't unless they reintroduce the work to Handsacre.How long will Euston-Glasgow take when HS2 phase 1 gets built?