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159jim

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I'm Jim Kettle, i'm 14 and im from Salisbury, and theres a few things I would like to shout out to Britain's Rail Network!!!!


-Firstly, I want FGW to oporate a houl;y service to Brighton, Not 1/2 times daily!

-I want XC to make their Paignton runs at least hourly, like VT did before they passed the franchise over to Arriva back in the old days!!!

-SWT to bring back their Brighton service.

-SWT to bring back their West of Exeter service

-ATW to bring back their Manchester-Waterloo service

-Bring Barleston station back!

-Give Three Oaks, Doleham & Winchelsea back it's hourly service!!!

-LM to Bring back their Gloucester-Worcester shuttle!!!

-FGW to bring back their 158s on the Devon Metro





So, any comments, questions, points of veiws, etc?

Thanks,
Jim.
 
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-Firstly, I want FGW to oporate a houl;y service to Brighton, Not 1/2 times daily!

Stock from where?

-I want XC to make their Paignton runs at least hourly, like VT did before they passed the franchise over to Arriva back in the old days!!!

It was never hourly!

-SWT to bring back their Brighton service.
Why?

-SWT to bring back their West of Exeter service
Then they wouldn't be able to maintain hourly service with their stock.

-ATW to bring back their Manchester-Waterloo service
Why?

-Bring Barleston station back!
I agree, hourly all shacks Macclesfield (turnback facility)-Stafford. Shame you can't get Norton bridge back.

-Give Three Oaks, Doleham & Winchelsea back it's hourly service!!!
Doleham has never had hourly services; Winchelsea and Three Oaks have benefitted from recent service improvements.

-LM to Bring back their Gloucester-Worcester shuttle!!!
No-one used it, hence it was stopped.

-FGW to bring back their 158s on the Devon Metro
And where do they get 158s from. Substitute 143s for 158s on Cardiff-Pompey???
 

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143s aren't bad on the metro, longest run is an hour and FGW tend to run units in pairs
 

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FGW shouldn't run to Brighton at all - the stock would be much better used to augment services in the Bristol area, or on the Portsmouth to Cardiff route. SN now provide a perfectly adequate hourly Southampton to Brighton service, and when the weekday FGW eastbound service runs it is in the path of the SN service, which follows behind and is wasteful duplication.

There's no point in SWT trying to run to Brighton either, because the aforementioned SN service is more useful. SWT use the units that formerly ran to Brighton elsewhere now, strengthening their routes into Waterloo.

Most importantly though, TOCs run services that are specified by the DfT - you write as though all these changes are at the whim of the TOC - but they aren't, they go where they are told.
 

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I can say we all want more trains, and the worst thing is most would be profiatable lines if the rolling stock could eb aquired
 

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I'm Jim Kettle, i'm 14 and im from Salisbury, and theres a few things I would like to shout out to Britain's Rail Network!!!!


-Firstly, I want FGW to oporate a houl;y service to Brighton, Not 1/2 times daily!

-I want XC to make their Paignton runs at least hourly, like VT did before they passed the franchise over to Arriva back in the old days!!!

-SWT to bring back their Brighton service.

-SWT to bring back their West of Exeter service

-ATW to bring back their Manchester-Waterloo service

-Bring Barleston station back!

-Give Three Oaks, Doleham & Winchelsea back it's hourly service!!!

-LM to Bring back their Gloucester-Worcester shuttle!!!

-FGW to bring back their 158s on the Devon Metro





So, any comments, questions, points of veiws, etc?

Thanks,
Jim.

1. Where is all the rolling stock to run these services?

2. Have you tried contacting the TOCs directly at all?
 

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I also want:


-FGW to bring back their Westbury-Southamptobn shuttlet at at least two hours.

-FGW to bring back then Penzance-Portsmouth service!
 

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I'm Jim Kettle, i'm 14 and im from Salisbury, and theres a few things I would like to shout out to Britain's Rail Network!!!!

Hi Jim! I wasn't aware you were only 14! :)

-Firstly, I want FGW to oporate a houl;y service to Brighton, Not 1/2 times daily!

So would I, but in practice the paths are better used. Improve Bristol to Southampton to half-hourly, and reroute the alternate one to either Pompey or Bournemouth. Southern could run a better service west of Pompey though.

-I want XC to make their Paignton runs at least hourly, like VT did before they passed the franchise over to Arriva back in the old days!!!

I wasn't even aware Paignton had a cross-country service until the London & South-East maps changed a few years ago. I had assumed FGW (and, before 2006, SWT! - whoops :oops:) had a monopoly. That's how minor the (V)XC service is/was.

-SWT to bring back their Brighton service.

Again, so would I, but the paths are better used. Brighton should have a link of some kind with Reading though; ditching both Fareham and Redhill options was not right.

-SWT to bring back their West of Exeter service

This reduction was necessary to create an hourly frequency west of Salisbury. And I think Exeter is quite a nice place to change, actually. Based on the number of spare 158s/159s, I think that it might be possible to run to Paignton or Plymouth, but only sometimes. In practice, such an arrangement would not work very well, so the service would be better off as present.

-ATW to bring back their Manchester-Waterloo service

I wonder if Moderation of Competition could affect this? To be honest, such a service would have been a novelty, not a practical operation. I would like to see Cardiff to Waterloo again though.

-Bring Barleston station back!

Is there really any need to? The whole area is dead.

-Give Three Oaks, Doleham & Winchelsea back it's hourly service!!!

I remember using this line when you were a baby (I really mean that, and I'm only eight years older than you! :lol:) and it seemed pointless. Thumpers were a nice novelty, but to me they just looked like 302s with cute triangles on the front. When one turned up at the MoD site back home one day, I was so happy! :D (It then got scrapped :cry:) Seriously though, if these stops were reintroduced the service would struggle to keep to its timings. There would have to be some improvements to the line to allow Rye to Ore to continue at its current already-low (by NSE standards) frequency of one an hour. And that's before you consider the Brighton extension, which has injected new life into the line.

-LM to Bring back their Gloucester-Worcester shuttle!!!

This service was completely pointless! No-one used it! However, I would have if I had been around. Having only one service every two hours between Gloucester and Worcester is a pain and a half...

-FGW to bring back their 158s on the Devon Metro

Is there really any point? Should we (that's the Wessex Main Line) get some improved rolling stock, by which I mean 4/5-car at 100mph, then fine, but otherwise it isn't fair on the busier routes.

-FGW to bring back their Westbury-Southamptobn shuttlet at at least two hours.

The section of route north of Westbury should be the priority here. These shuttles usually run via Melksham, and it needs the better service, not Dean! Having said that, as noted above, I would like to see a more frequent longer-distance service.

-FGW to bring back then Penzance-Portsmouth service!

Another one I wasn't aware of. Presumably these ran via Bristol, or at the very least Westbury? It's too much of a diversion to justify such a route. If it went via Bristol, changing at Westbury would be faster; if it ran via Westbury, changing at Salisbury would be faster. This route would also use valuable paths that don't really exist around Southampton (or rather wouldn't exist according to my idea! :lol:).



So, any comments, questions, points of veiws, etc?

Thanks,
Jim.

One more, if I'm honest. Please don't take this the wrong way, but do try to watch your spelling and grammar a bit more. If you were my student (I am training to be a teacher), I would have written "sp" more than once too often there.

How does the above count as zero characters?! I have to write more to reach the five character requirement? Sheesh! :lol:
 
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While new services are being created, Can I have a 2tph direct service from Morecambe to Leyland or Bamber Bridge, depending on which office I am working from?
 

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Professional opinion, feasibility, profitably and passenger utilization studies vs 14 year old's random demands on teh internetz.

I'm sure the TOCs listed will get right on it, just for you!
 

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158s were not often used on the Paignton to Exmouth service, it used to be 150s. The 158s were more often seen on Penzance services and at the start of the new franchise these were replaced by 150s and the pacers used in place of the 150s on Paignton to Exmouth.
 

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Yer but now FGW are getting the new 150s, what new services are they proposing to do, with these new 150s??
The 150s have allowed for the end of the locomotive hauled services and will also allow the 142s to go back to Northern.
 

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I want more money, food, sex etc, but guess what? Nobody's going to just give it to me!
 

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Then they wouldn't be able to maintain hourly service with their stock.

I distinctly remember reading that SWT were interested in continuing to run Paignton services beyond their franchise spec. The stock is certainly available on weekends which is when most of the demand would be.
 

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Yer but now FGW are getting the new 150s, what new services are they proposing to do, with these new 150s??

No new services at all - nothing has been applied for. The 150s just replace all the various stock belonging to Northern, ATW and SWT etc.

FGW's overall number of units/carriages will be slightly less than it was when they were hiring in the locohauled stock, but because it is more standardised they get better stock utilisation (ie a higher percentage of the fleet actually diagrammed). So some services may be slightly longer than before.
 

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I'm not even going to go through your list of demands like many of the other have. I'm just going to leave you with a bit of wisdom from my Gran:

"I want disnae get."
 

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I'm Jim Kettle, i'm 14 and im from Salisbury, and theres a few things I would like to shout out to Britain's Rail Network!!!!

-Give Three Oaks, Doleham & Winchelsea back it's hourly service!!!

Everso slightly OT, but a few years back I saw all the letters of complaint re the changes to services at Three Oaks seeing the service go from hourly to what it is now. There were about 5 separate letters, one each from mum, dad and the two daughters at one address, all essentially saying the same thing, e.g. something like now it would be more difficult for them to get to the shops on Saturday when Dad was using the car. The other was from their next door neighbour saying something like it was going to be more difficult for the girls next door to get the shops on Saturday when Dad was using the car. Brilliantly orchestrated!! Just a bit obvious.
 

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............. The other was from their next door neighbour saying something like it was going to be more difficult for the girls next door to get the shops on Saturday when Dad was using the car. ...........

Now that's quite funny :lol:

I think Winchelsea and Three Oaks were due 1tp2h and Doleham about three more services from the proposed Dec 10 East Coastway timetable that got rejected.
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Interesting...
Someone the same age as me on the forum ;)

Are you 14? Good god!
 

me123

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CrossCountry really need to tighten up their recruitment procedures! :lol:
 

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Now that's quite funny :lol:

Even better was at the 2007 ACORP Community Rail Festival, Southern put on a special Marshlink train over the line, which, naturally, went through the smaller stations without stopping. On board were top brass, leader of the council, MPs etc.

At one of the stations (Three Oaks iirc, probably the above family!) there was a small demonstration to get the hourly service reinstated; cue one notable local politician commenting how nice it was that the locals were out to see and cheer the special train.
 

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I distinctly remember reading that SWT were interested in continuing to run Paignton services beyond their franchise spec. The stock is certainly available on weekends which is when most of the demand would be.

SWT were made to stop their West of Exeter services by the DfT. As were the Manchester to Waterloo/Manchester to SW/ Bristol to Waterloo run by Wales and West. Innovation swiftly kicked into touch again.

I'd like to see the DfT keeping their nose out a bit more and letting TOCs be innovative!
 

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When LM make me redundant, can I get £50K?

That would be fine by me!

Everso slightly OT, but a few years back I saw all the letters of complaint re the changes to services at Three Oaks seeing the service go from hourly to what it is now. There were about 5 separate letters, one each from mum, dad and the two daughters at one address, all essentially saying the same thing, e.g. something like now it would be more difficult for them to get to the shops on Saturday when Dad was using the car. The other was from their next door neighbour saying something like it was going to be more difficult for the girls next door to get the shops on Saturday when Dad was using the car. Brilliantly orchestrated!! Just a bit obvious.

I like it! Couldn't they have tried to disguise it a bit by saying 'when Dad uses the car on Saturday they will find it harder to get to the shops'? Might have had me fooled then!
 

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Didn't Mummy ever tell you that, 'I wants don't get' ?
 
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