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Heathrow Express is accredited. It’s also journey-based, underneath.
That does seem like a particularly cursed work-aroundBecause if your TIS is journey-planner-based (and Trainline's is) you can't buy a fare on its own
GWR's Mixing Deck comes close, having you select a ticket then showing you the service it's valid on; but ultimately I don't think it lets you book without a journey planned.I suspect I know the answer, but are there any accredited web TIS (excluding the Heathrow Express one, which I'd assume still has to be accredited despite only selling HEx tickets) that aren't journey planner based?
Aren't most things in this industry cursed?That does seem like a particularly cursed work-around
Dear god, I've spent my fair share of time with industry data and barely knew any of these.Standard Premium tickets are standard class, railcards are season tickets sold from "Trainline" to "Trainline", sleeper beds are (sometimes) seats, HEX only operates one service a day, "counted place" seats exist in imaginary coaches attached to east coast trains. It's all a bunch of bodges stacked on top of other bodges.
It does let you book. TPE does as well,which is why I use those sites when buying non-Advance tickets online. Can't be doing with having to select specific trains needlessly.GWR's Mixing Deck comes close, having you select a ticket then showing you the service it's valid on; but ultimately I don't think it lets you book without a journey planned.
Thanks for bringing this up.View attachment 143387 Earlier posted it in another thread- a journey from Preston to Headbolt Lane has a 12379 minute wait at Wigan, assuming this is a glitch because tickets are now available but the first service doesn't go for about a week or so. Probably better to put a 'no tickets found' screen
Believe it or not, this is actually the fare from Hull to Barton:Today seems to be the day of glitch discovery, I've found something again!
I searched for trains from Hessle to Barton-on-Humber for noon Sep 25, and it showed me a journey which involves me going one stop to Hull, walking to the bus station, waiting 45 minutes, then taking a bus. One-way, £48.10. Hessle to Hull is about £5 at worst and the bus cannot possibly be £43. Why is it trying to sell me this/why is it so expensive? Surely Hessle-Doncaster-Habrough-Barton is a valid journey?
Trainline and other websites (I also checked Thameslink and Northern) are suggesting the same route for £46.30.
Edit: Northern is calling it an EMR bustitution, but why would EMR run bus replacements to Hull, for 45 pounds?
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That said, when buses are involved, the bus leg should be stripped out of the calculation for permitted routes, leaving us with just Hessle to Hull, for which the distance travelled is the shortest route, and therefore arguably the negative easement cannot be deemed to apply.
- Easement 700241 (published by TOC TP)
Customers travelling from or via Barton On Humber to Hessle, Ferriby, Brough and beyond may not travel via Hull. This easement applies in both directions
It's actually a regular service bus; all such buses need to be attribiuted to a train operator, and in this case it's down as EMR. Yes that makes no sense, but this is what the data says, so we have to go by that!.... Northern is calling it an EMR bustitution, but why would EMR run bus replacements to Hull, for 45 pounds?
Thanks a lot, there's probably a crazy rabbit hole of weird TOC rules I'll have to figure out someday.Believe it or not, this is actually the fare from Hull to Barton:
Look up fares for any train journey in Britain
Full details of all British rail Single, Return & Season tickets and Travelcards. Built-in Season Ticket Calculator.www.brfares.com
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That is, of course, insane but that is under the control of Northern
However, it does raise two questions
1) Why aren't we finding journeys via Doncaster (for which we could offer a cheaper fare) and
2) Why are we not selling the through fare from Hessle to Barton (which is the same price as Hull to Barton)
The answer to 1) looks likely to be the following negative easement (yes that's an oxymoron; blame RDG):
That said, when buses are involved, the bus leg should be stripped out of the calculation for permitted routes, leaving us with just Hessle to Hull, for which the distance travelled is the shortest route, and therefore arguably the negative easement cannot be deemed to apply.
I'll get this looked into, but if we are to have a truly sensible price for this journey, it needs Northern to amend the fare.
It's actually a regular service bus; all such buses need to be attribiuted to a train operator, and in this case it's down as EMR. Yes that makes no sense, but this is what the data says, so we have to go by that!
There should really be a simple add-on (for presumably 2 pounds) on tickets to Hull, for the bus to Barton, but it needs the relevant fare setters to do that.
As for going via Doncaster, it's surely quicker to walk across the bridge but if you want to go that way, for the timebeing use advanced mode and enter Doncaster as a via point, which unlocks the cheaper fares:
Yes, the standards of local journalism are so bad these days they would indeed blame the wrong organisation for this.I wouldn't be surprised to see this in some advert infested HullLive Reach article
Beware all tourists in the Humberside, Trainline is out for blood!
Unlikely to happen; we're talking about the UK here, and that would encourage people to use public transport too much. This isn't Switzerland!About the £2 extra for the bus to Barton for Hull tickets (can't find a quote option), what would be good is to extend Hull Plusbus to Barton and Barrow(upon-Humber).
There is also kids for a quid offer on Scotrail which can only be bought from station or on train staff. Means we are making more use of our two together Railcard however annoying that we need multiple Railcards as adds complexity or permutations of ticket combinations to try to get the cheapest fare.It might be the case with a couple of promotional fares, but excluding ScotRail-set Super Off-Peak Day Returns, this mostly shouldn’t be a problem.
I believe, though there are others more versed in this than me, that the seat selector is quite glitchy due to the backend industry systems. It's why it is still available but is somewhat hidden away as the functionality just isn't very good at the moment so Trainsplit don't want to promote it too much as that will just lead, as you've discovered, to disapointment when it doesn't work. Especially as there's nothing that can be done about it on the Trainsplit end but of course it's Trainsplit that's left looking bad!So I'm stuck, it would make my journey much more bearable to select my seat but I can't see how to do this or is it a glitch/bug? I'd appreciate any advice/thoughts. Many thanks...
I can get this working by choosing Durham to Watford Junction, avoiding Euston and via Birmingham New Street.Struggling to get the site to generate me itinerary from Durham to Watford Junction not via London and fully first class (so presumably Cross Country to Birmingham then Avanti in other words) for Sunday. What options should I pick to do that?
I can get this working by choosing Durham to Watford Junction, avoiding Euston and via Birmingham New Street.
Durham > Watford Junction - Search Results | TrainSplit
TrainSplit compares routes & fares to get the best value through split ticketing with no booking fee & saving up to 90%trainsplit.com
Thanks yorkie, Really appreciate the offer - am happy to wait for a fix to come along (it will be a really useful enhancement to me if it were to be sorted) in the meantime will continue to use this site for my many business bookings - still by far the best booking engine I've used in 20+ years of UK rail travel...I believe some of the issues relate to rail industry data while others relate to a particular supplier to Trainsplit who provides the seat reservation system, so it's not always possible to obtain the desired seat even if available.
@Miken @Egg Centric if you don't have your desired seats you can send me details of what you require and I will try to get it for you while I'm on my train tomorrow morning
There's currently no way to do this from a journey search.is there any chance of making it possible to make bookings where some passengers have railcards and others don't, or different passengers have different railcards?
Further to @MrJeeves I believe it is on the list of desired improvements however these things take time!Apologies if this has been discussed already -- I haven't read the whole thread -- but is there any chance of making it possible to make bookings where some passengers have railcards and others don't, or different passengers have different railcards?
Further to @MrJeeves I believe it is on the list of desired improvements however these things take time!
Coach P is for bike spaces.When I search for a journey that involves travel on a LNER 225, it offers reservations in a Coach P. Is this connected with the issues you mention above?
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>
<OC>
<L o="YRK" d="KGX" s="GR3000" t="16102023" a="SEAT">
<C u="P" s="0" c="4009" d="P/ NB/SB/ELECTRIC/CYCLE"></C>
<C u="M" s="1" c="4018" d="EC/E/SB/COACH M/1ST"></C>
<C u="L" s="2" c="4017" d="EC/E/SB/COACH L/1ST/W"></C>
<C u="K" s="3" c="4016" d="EC/E/SB/COACHK/1ST"></C>
<C u="H" s="4" c="4015" d="EC/E/SB/COACH H/STD/B"></C>
<C u="F" s="5" c="4014" d="EC/E/SB/COACH F/STD/W"></C>
<C u="E" s="6" c="4013" d="EC/E/SB/COACH E/STD"></C>
<C u="D" s="7" c="4012" d="EC/E/SB/COACH D/STD"></C>
<C u="C" s="8" c="4011" d="EC/E/SB/COACH C/STD/50"></C>
<C u="B" s="9" c="4010" d="EC/E/SB/COACH B/STD/Q"></C>
</L>
</OC>
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>
<OP>
<L o="YRK" d="KGX" s="GR3000" t="16102023" c="P">
<P u="P01 ">
<U c="SEAT"></U>
</P>
<P u="P02 ">
<U c="SEAT"></U>
</P>
<P u="P03 ">
<U c="SEAT"></U>
</P>
<P u="P04 ">
<U c="SEAT"></U>
</P>
<P u="P05 ">
<U c="SEAT"></U>
</P>
</L>
</OP>
To be fair, I don't think that a reliable seat selector can be put together solely using the data in industry systems.If you have further questions about the quality of the data maintained by LNER in the reservation system, I would suggest directing these to the TOC.