First Greater Glasgow

[JumpinTrainz]

Will the Yutong decker which is at South Yorkshire be coming to Glasgow?

I would doubt it. Glasgow seem to be going for a standard ADL fleet. Especially once the B9TLs go - it’ll leave only the Streetlites.

 

[Volvodart]

If you are wanting to see it, your best bet will be McGill's getting a shot of it.

 

[fife_circle]

wonder if there’s a chance it’ll have a spell in Aberdeen? Seeing as the rumours are they’re looking for new electric deckers and they of course have a fleet of the Yutong E12s

 

[Volvodart]

Aberdeen probably will be getting Wrightbus if they are successful in their bid for double deckers anyway as they already have their hydrogen buses. First bus already has a lot of them nationally.

 

[LT02 NVV]

I would doubt it. Glasgow seem to be going for a standard ADL fleet. Especially once the B9TLs go - it’ll leave only the Streetlites.

Speaking of Streetlites, didn’t First Glasgow buy some of the ex First Scotland East ones that McGills Scotland East didn’t want anymore, what’s happening with them? Last time I heard, they were patching them up at the Blantyre depot.

SN65OKB, SK63KNY & SN14DXF

FirstGroup have appeared to buy back some Wrightbus Streetlite which has not been used by McGills Scotland East. Seen in Blantyre depot is Wrightbus Streetlites SN65OKB, SK63KNY & SN14DXF showing evidence of their McGills fleet numbers.

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[Volvodart]

It depends what is needed for them. Some of First's own are out of service a long time awaiting parts.

 

[LT02 NVV]

It depends what is needed for them. Some of First's own are out of service a long time awaiting parts.

I think that some might be used for spare parts, while others might be coming back into service with First Glasgow, but I’m not to sure, someone* stated that a few SN64 & SN65 plated ones are being fixed and returned to service.

* There’s a FB club that said something, I can’t access it, but it’s on the history of 63272, which was added to First Glasgow’s fleet list on BusTimes, and been there for a while now.

 

[Volvodart]

They are unlikely to keep a couple of Euro 6s they are most likely to go to somewhere that already has them.

 

[MasterSpenny]

They are unlikely to keep a couple of Euro 6s they are most likely to go to somewhere that already has them.

I thought they would in that instance replace buses that are Euro V (5) and below?

 

[route101]

Will the Yutong decker which is at South Yorkshire be coming to Glasgow?

Edinburgh are getting them.

Glasgow fleet is increasingly standardised. Not as interesting for the bus spotter.

 

[MasterSpenny]

Edinburgh are getting them.

Glasgow fleet is increasingly standardised. Not as interesting for the bus spotter.

It wouldn’t surprise me if in 2039 that the First Glasgow fleet was just Alexander Dennis buses.

I wonder if they will move to the new style Enviro 400 EV - the BYD products are rather small in terms of range (based of what has been said in various threads)

 

[92002]

It wouldn’t surprise me if in 2039 that the First Glasgow fleet was just Alexander Dennis buses.

I wonder if they will move to the new style Enviro 400 EV - the BYD products are rather small in terms of range (based of what has been said in various threads)

Most of the current batch of e400evs seem to manage to put in around 12 hours a Day. Which with no fuel costs seem to be quite a reasonable days work.

 

[Buzby]

Since electricity = fuel on EV’s. I doubt First get a free supply of it.

 

[Jordan Adam]

Most of the current batch of e400evs seem to manage to put in around 12 hours a Day. Which with no fuel costs seem to be quite a reasonable days work.

Its not really when you consider they now require far more buses to run the same level of service, electricity isn't free either!

 

[JumpinTrainz]

I get First Glasgow wanting a more unified fleet for Glasgow but opting for inferior vehicle types is ludicrous. I wish First would branch out of their ADL/BYD obsession for Glasgow which is arguably one of their biggest and most consistent operations.

This has been hammered to death on here but Glasgow should have got Yutongs for Scotstoun. Some E200EVs could have been ordered to upgrade more local routes like the 43, 64, 65, 46 or Lanarkshire locals. I’d like to see some Electroliners, Yutong deckers, BZLs to add some variety but most importantly better range/build quality.

 

[92002]

I get First Glasgow wanting a more unified fleet for Glasgow but opting for inferior vehicle types is ludicrous. I wish First would branch out of their ADL/BYD obsession for Glasgow which is arguably one of their biggest and most consistent operations.

This has been hammered to death on here but Glasgow should have got Yutongs for Scotstoun. Some E200EVs could have been ordered to upgrade more local routes like the 43, 64, 65, 46 or Lanarkshire locals. I’d like to see some Electroliners, Yutong deckers, BZLs to add some variety but most importantly better range/build quality.

However it's a First corporate decision how they spend their money and they have taken that decision and now will have to live with any consequences.

 

[EMU303]

Many people have posted here that the ADL/EVs lack the range of other buses on the market. If so, then why have First embraced them … Price? Availability? Pressure to support local jobs? Or are First happy to use these buses to support daytime services (generally 7am -7pm), and as technology improves future purchases (maybe an enhanced ADL EV) will have a great range to support all day running?

 

[Jordan Adam]

Many people have posted here that the ADL/EVs lack the range of other buses on the market. If so, then why have First embraced them … Price? Availability? Pressure to support local jobs? Or are First happy to use these buses to support daytime services (generally 7am -7pm), and as technology improves future purchases (maybe an enhanced ADL EV) will have a great range to support all day running?

A lot of the order was made prior to the other products coming to market so a combination of that combined with standardisation. It wouldn't surprise me if there was also pressure from the Scottish Government to go for ADL.

 

[Busman84]

I think they’re quite happy with EVs being allocated to daytime boards or boards that return to depots mid evening (especially if they depart from the depot mid morning at weekends).
Routes like the 46, 64, and 65 were originally not intended at all for EVs (core routes with branding were) but they are used daily on these boards while they can keep diesels out on all routes for the all day boards.

The problem is, coming into winter the E200 EVs don’t produce much heating to the cab or to passengers and unless ADL can fix this you could find a lot out of service this winter. The BYD/ADL E400s also suffer from this but not as bad as the E200s.

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

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I think they’re quite happy with EVs being allocated to daytime boards or boards that return to depots mid evening (especially if depart depot mid morning at weekends).
Routes like the 46,64,65 were originally not intended at all for EVs (core routes with branding were) but they are used daily on these boards while they can keep diesels out on all routes for the all day boards.

Problem is coming into winter the E200 EVs don’t produce much heating cab or to passengers and unless ADL can fix this you could find a lot out of service this winter. The BYD/ADL E400s also suffer from this but not as bad as the E200s.

The Technology has to be mature enough for First Glasgow to have made these considerations to do with range within the summer versus winter and the heating required for a comfortable environment which can be achieved within a bus interior, not just for the passengers but especially for the several bodies that sit in the cab across the entire day.

Frankly, even your finest directors and managers don’t care about such things, because ultimately these considerations are not what brings in revenue, even though this doesn’t truly accommodate the drivers out there who are those who make the vehicles move to bring in said revenue.

 

[Busman84]

These will be the first buses from ADL where heating in cab is poor or virtually non existent. All previous models E300,400,200/400MMC cab heating is like ovens. On odd occasion you would find issues with these vehicles although the pump or blower motor can fail as these are parts very well used.

 

[voidwxrranty]

Might be short lived but Glasgow tracks on the bustimes.org map.

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

I think they’re quite happy with EVs being allocated to daytime boards or boards that return to depots mid evening (especially if they depart from the depot mid morning at weekends).
Routes like the 46, 64, and 65 were originally not intended at all for EVs (core routes with branding were) but they are used daily on these boards while they can keep diesels out on all routes for the all day boards.

The problem is, coming into winter the E200 EVs don’t produce much heating to the cab or to passengers and unless ADL can fix this you could find a lot out of service this winter. The BYD/ADL E400s also suffer from this but not as bad as the E200s.

The issue with the E200s is that the air con is stuck on and drivers I have asked about it have said they can't turn it off.

 

[92002]

It's all about tweaking the vehicle settings. Was on an E400ev on this cool morning and it was fine. No doubt there is a trade-off on heating and battery life. Hardly a game changer

 

[christopherrfc]

One of the e200ev has been branded for the 398

 

[voidwxrranty]

Might be short lived but Glasgow tracks on the bustimes.org map.

Update: it was short lived, stopped tracking around 5:15am

 

[F Great Eastern]

They're still too high for the 6 though. There isn't any decker on the market at the moment low enough for the 6.

One potential option for "The One" could be those Evoras recently delivered to Aircoach as it is proposed that they'll transfer to UK Bus following electrification of the services at Dublin Airport. The only problem is that there wouldn't be enough of them for The One.

Today, Irizar have confirmed that Aircoach / Dublin Airport have placed an order for 24 Irizar ie Trams to be delivered starting late 2024. After which the Evora's will be freed up.

 

[ScotRail158725]

One of the e200ev has been branded for the 398

64102 and 64153

 

[route101]

Passed a X11 on the motoway that was full and standing. Is there a shortage of double deckers? The 267 service on Saturday was all E200MMCs from what I seen.

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

Passed a X11 on the motoway that was full and standing. Is there a shortage of double deckers? The 267 service on Saturday was all E200MMCs from what I seen.

The buses have gotten quite busy again coming out of Hamilton and especially the x11 from Motherwell.

The buses that First have purchased are just a tad too small.