That's solely for passengers who have onward connections from CDG.
I said are looking into.
I live in York, a lot of people in my area fly from London and Manchester, think about all of those passengers.
Consider passengers who live along the ECML but fly from other airports, like Manchester, London and Galsgow.
Which is a large proportion of domestic air travel in France, and is replicated in the UK with connections to LHR.
'A lot' is doing some heavy lifting considering you need nearly 1000 people wanting (or who could be persuaded) to travel at the same time whereas a typical airliner for a European flight takes c.180 people.
On this point, London to Amsterdam *could* support a much higher level of service if capacity constraints were resolved - as I believe you have pointed out yourself.
I have done the Heathrow Pod twice but got there by Elizabeth line. To please the granddaughter (not me honest).
Could those subsidies (which are scarce) be better spent on more useful things ?.
They are not banning the flights just banning people using them whoare not connecting to/from an international flight.
I always dream of that missing entrance at the Eastern of Euston Square when I have to use Euston Square. Surely so easy to build ?.
That's right all the others are using rail already.
But Austria has almost no internal flights to attract passengers from.
But enough ?.
Really. Who in their right mind would travel across the Pennines to Manchester just to fly to London (and then even fewer beyond London to Europe).
Would need modification/demolition of the parcels deck, I think. Some of the HS2 station plans certainly had it in, and there was a related TfL scheme to tidy up Phoenix Road for smooth transfers between the HS2 and HS1 termini.
Yes, healthcare and education.
Still got Innsbruck flights, I believe.
Consider how many people this applies to, people from Edinburgh who perhaps fly from Glasgow, people in Newcastle, Leeds and then those in Sheffield who can connect onto it.
Never said that, I said that people who live along the ECML fly from Manchester and London, no one goes to Manchester just to fly to London.
But they're not available unless you have a connecting flight with the airline or partner of the airline, this still can eliminate quite a few people, and no, I did not miss the point.
And that's all - if you believe the same post I do.
Ah I mis understood. But will there be enough of a market for a train service not from Manchester for people on the East side of the Pennines to get to Paris ?.
I think you started by saying already that internal flights in France were banned and it was being pointed out that the flights still operate for passengers connecting to international flights.
Oh dear - is that new Euston Square Eastern entrance part of the vandalism of Euston HS2 ?.
Ah yes, sorry. There will of course be those who see Euston HS2 as vandalism of the original area. But I meant the more recent vandalism of the project. I fear the risk Euston HS2 will be downsized and then hemmed in with other new development on its original footprint making its original capacity of Euston uneconomic to achieve.
Apologies, misunderstanding from both of us.
No probs.
Might want to check that
Another alternative is to use perhaps 5 carriage trains operating 4tpd, instead of a full 16 carriage train.
HS2 proponents want to fill HS2 with the longest possible trains. It makes the best use of the money spent of course. But there was/is to be 16 car trains splitting in two once off the end of HS2 and going to say Liverpool and Scotland on conventional lines. So for international would need to maybe have a Manchester 8-car joining with a Glasgow 8-car. But its still a small market compared to domestic travel.
True, or a 16 carriage can be sent from Paris to Stratford, divide into two 8 cars, with one going to Birmingham and Crewe, divides into two 4 cars with one going to Glasgow and the other Birmingham, while the other 8 goes to Doncaster, divides into two 4 cars with one going to Leeds and the other to York, Newcastle and Edinburgh. But that would be very hard logistically.
Indeed I notice the railways seem to avoid joining and splitting. In my view four portions is four times the risk of delay compared to one as there are four portions that can cause delay. I think finding a way of managing with two portions rather than four would be less bad. But still need to fit in with domestic passengers which will be the dominant flows and hopefully get some people out of cars as well as domestic only flights.
Good plan, make tickets available to book between Stratford and Birmingham, Manchester, Glasgow, Leeds, Doncaster, York, Newcastle, Edinburgh, etc to help fill up the train.
In a sensible world where the UK was in Schengen, that would be fine, but now and for the very foreseeable future, you either have to get all the international passengers off to go through passport control, and check no one is hiding in the luggage racks etc, or all the domestic passengers have to go through passport control at their boarding stations, with consequent costs and time penalty.
Cannot have a mixture of domestic and international passengers on one train. Not unless the passengers all turn up early enough to go through immigration and security. And of course it would mean bigger facilities to cope with those who do not really need it at each station. You would also need all the domestic passengers to be carrying their passport and not carry restricted goods (customs and excise).
Unless immigration happens at Stratford.
In a sensible world, we would never have left the EU.
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If you're doing immigration at Stratford, presumably you're not doing through trains, so what's the advantage of doing it at Stratford instead of St Pancras which is already set up?
Thanks for posting - very interesting. Overhead does lend itself to ending over Euston platforms and going into the side of the Midland Mainline concourse at St Pancras. Only disadvantage I see is noise/visual-intrusion. As with HS2 sub surface it would cost more - about 33% extra.There was a study for HS2 looking at various options for a people mover between Euston and StP.
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I don't have the percentage to hand but overwhelmingly Manchester to London flights were people connecting at Heathrow.
Help? Bald Rick has already shown that for more than a train or two per day it's going to struggle to be filled, Stratford Intl isn't going to have masses of demand of the ability to hold trains while everyone is detrained, train sweeped to ensure no stowaways, everyone gone through immigration and reboarded.
The government would have to admit to the public facts like the UK getting a smaller percentage of asylum seekers compared to other countries like Germany or that the Home Office backlog is due to poor moral in the Civil Service. I'll try not to get too political.