GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[HamworthyGoods]

It would, however, make far more sense to lose far fewer seats by putting any such installation at the former First end than by installing it at the other end.

As this is talking about 165/3 cars it’s not former first class but it’s still in use as first class on these units.

 

[JonathanH]

It would, however, make far more sense to lose far fewer seats by putting any such installation at the former First end than by installing it at the other end.

On the two car 165s, the bike rack was fitted at the standard end, with the first class end refitted with standard seats.

Logical as it means the number of seats are similar in each coach taking into account the universal toilet in the former composite coach

 

[Towers]

As this is talking about 165/3 cars it’s not former first class but it’s still in use as first class on these units.

Barely; and certainly not in the west!

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Barely; and certainly not in the west!

Not in the west but the majority of these units work in the East with First Class provided.

 

[Towers]

Not in the west but the majority of these units work in the East with First Class provided.

Gatwick, DID - OXF, NBY - BDW… Trying to think where else in East it’s utilised, technically or realistically!

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Gatwick, DID - OXF, NBY - BDW… Trying to think where else in East it’s utilised, technically or realistically!

All the Gatwick trains have first class accommodation.

 

[cactustwirly]

Gatwick, DID - OXF, NBY - BDW… Trying to think where else in East it’s utilised, technically or realistically!

Reading to Basingstoke

 

[FGW_DID]

One for this Sunday (07/01/2024):

Realtime Trains | 1D24 1220 London Paddington to Oxford | 07/01/2024

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This service is booked to be formed 6 car DMU (3x 2 car 165) and runs to Oxford via a reversal at Foxhall Jn and the Didcot West Curve. The 6 car then does a couple of trips between Oxford & Paddington before ending the day at Oxford.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Reading to Basingstoke

Although these are very often 2 carriage units these days

 

[Towers]

Reading to Basingstoke

There’s no offical first class provision on GWR Reading to Basingstoke, albeit the accommodation obviously exists on the three car sets.

 

[800301]

One for this Sunday (07/01/2024):

Realtime Trains | 1D24 1220 London Paddington to Oxford | 07/01/2024

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This service is booked to be formed 6 car DMU (3x 2 car 165) and runs to Oxford via a reversal at Foxhall Jn and the Didcot West Curve. The 6 car then does a couple of trips between Oxford & Paddington before ending the day at Oxford.

Any particular reason for this?

Edit - Just seen the WON

 

[507020]

One for this Sunday (07/01/2024):

This service is booked to be formed 6 car DMU (3x 2 car 165) and runs to Oxford via a reversal at Foxhall Jn and the Didcot West Curve. The 6 car then does a couple of trips between Oxford & Paddington before ending the day at Oxford.

I’m lucky I saw this as I was considering making a whole new thread to ask about it! Are these services featuring the reversal west of Didcot genuinely booked as Turbos? I am aware that the timing load “Pathed as Class 165/1 or 166 DMU at 90mph” as opposed to “Pathed as Class 80x on diesel, changes en route” is essentially meaningless.

Of particular interest is the return working 1P51, the 13:46 to Paddington, given how rare DMUs into Paddington now is. CrossCountry are also doing certain things around Birmingham, so this could make for an interesting day.

Any particular reason for this?

Edit - Just seen the WON

What does this mean?

 

[FGW_DID]

I’m lucky I saw this as I was considering making a whole new thread to ask about it! Are these services featuring the reversal west of Didcot genuinely booked as Turbos? I am aware that the timing load “Pathed as Class 165/1 or 166 DMU at 90mph” as opposed to “Pathed as Class 80x on diesel, changes en route” is essentially meaningless.

Of particular interest is the return working 1P51, the 13:46 to Paddington, given how rare DMUs into Paddington now is. CrossCountry are also doing certain things around Birmingham, so this could make for an interesting day.

What does this mean?

Yes, definitely booked as 3x 2car Turbo. Info from the Traction diagrams.

WON = Weekly Operating Notices. Lists temporary speed restrictions, engineering possessions and other pertinent info.

 

[LUYMun]

There also appears to be a 2 car 165 to run in substitute of an IET between Oxford and Paddington today:

Realtime Trains | 1P26 1500 Oxford to London Paddington | 06/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1D32 1623 London Paddington to Oxford | 06/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1P32 1800 Oxford to London Paddington | 06/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1D38 1920 London Paddington to Oxford | 06/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1P38 2100 Oxford to London Paddington | 06/01/2024

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Edit as of 1711:
The remaining services were replaced by an IET at short notice, so the 165 is currently running back to Oxford Depot as 5Z72:

Realtime Trains | 5Z72 1615 London Paddington to Oxford Up Carriage Sdgs | 06/01/2024

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[Kite159]

Yes, definitely booked as 3x 2car Turbo. Info from the Traction diagrams.

WON = Weekly Operating Notices. Lists temporary speed restrictions, engineering possessions and other pertinent info.

I wonder if it will still happen tomorrow due to the flooding around Didcot, unless that flooding doesn't affect the diversionary area

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Edit, also saw a pair of 2 coach 165s on the Paddington - Oxford services. I guess with a rapid turnaround after Didcot there were drivers at both ends so as soon as driver 1 keyed off, the driver in the back could key in to continue?

(I never knew the 1V64 1929 Gatwick Airport to Reading service swapped lines at Reading to form a Basingstoke service [2J67 2110 Reading to Basingstoke] a few minutes after arrival at Reading with the unit from 2J64 2023 Basingstoke to Reading to form the 1O92 2133 Reading to Gatwick Airport service with an ECS move from platform 8 to platform 5 [guess it can't simply remain on P14 or P15]

 

[YSTrains]

There also appears to be a 2 car 165 to run in substitute of an IET between Oxford and Paddington today:

Realtime Trains | 1P26 1500 Oxford to London Paddington | 06/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1D32 1623 London Paddington to Oxford | 06/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1P32 1800 Oxford to London Paddington | 06/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1D38 1920 London Paddington to Oxford | 06/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1P38 2100 Oxford to London Paddington | 06/01/2024

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Edit as of 1711:
The remaining services were replaced by an IET at short notice, so the 165 is currently running back to Oxford Depot as 5Z72:

Realtime Trains | 5Z72 1615 London Paddington to Oxford Up Carriage Sdgs | 06/01/2024

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Oh so that is why i saw a 2 car 165 go past Acton Main Line. I was heading back home around that time.

 

[800301]

There is currently a 2 car turbo running on a 387 diagram between Pad and Didcot, can’t see it staying out all night but due to do the following headcodes currently running about 20L
2N71
2P85
2N86
2P97
2R97

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Not one single 166 on Portsmouths today.

Accompanying the 158s, the poor patrons have been subject to: 165101, 165103, 165108, 165131, 165132 and 165133

and yes, some of them were single 2 cars

 

[Mark J]

There is currently a 2 car turbo running on a 387 diagram between Pad and Didcot, can’t see it staying out all night but due to do the following headcodes currently running about 20L
2N71
2P85
2N86
2P97
2R97

My last night night return from Oxford revealed that the 23:05 to Reading/Paddington is no longer a 166. Instead, it is now a class 800.

I thought the class 166 that was used on the 23:05, was the returning Banbury service, going back to the depot via Paddington and back.

 

[FGW_DID]

My last night night return from Oxford revealed that the 23:05 to Reading/Paddington is no longer a 166. Instead, it is now a class 800.

I thought the class 166 that was used on the 23:05, was the returning Banbury service, going back to the depot via Paddington and back.

It wouldn't have been a 166, it was a 2 car 165. It would run to Paddington as 1P47 then couple at Paddington to the ex Greenford unit, then the 4 car would run back to Oxford as 1D48. Both units would end the day at Oxford.

1P47 (now 2307 off Oxford) has been a 800 (5 car) since the timetable change.

 

[Express380]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V58724/2024-01-22/detailed#allox_id=0

Just seen this morning there is a 166 running out of Plymouth is this booked during the Nailsea-Bristol block please?

 

[JN114]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V58724/2024-01-22/detailed#allox_id=0

Just seen this morning there is a 166 running out of Plymouth is this booked during the Nailsea-Bristol block please?

It is, yes

 

[Siemens Staines]

It looks like a few turbos are planned to be working vice IET today. Of course these allocations may change in response to events.

165116
1D20 1023 London Paddington to Oxford
1P25 1200 Oxford to London Paddington
1D26 1323 London Paddington to Oxford
1P31 1503 Oxford to London Paddington
1D32 1623 London Paddington to Oxford
1P37 1800 Oxford to London Paddington
1D38 1923 London Paddington to Oxford
1P43 2102 Oxford to London Paddington

165125
1D18 0948 Reading to Oxford
1P23 1100 Oxford to London Paddington
1W25 1251 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street
1P34 1517 Worcester Foregate Street to Reading

166202
2E53 0840 Bristol Temple Meads to Worcester Foregate Street
2T43 1052 Worcester Foregate Street to Bristol Temple Meads
2E09 1238 Bristol Temple Meads to Worcester Foregate Street
2T47 1450 Worcester Foregate Street to Bristol Temple Meads
2E70 1639 Bristol Temple Meads to Worcester Foregate Street
2T51 1853 Worcester Foregate Street to Bristol Temple Meads
2E78 2101 Bristol Temple Meads to Worcester Shrub Hill
2T54 2236 Worcester Shrub Hill to Bristol Temple Meads

and also

387152 + 387164
1B08 0912 London Paddington to Cardiff Central
1L17 1150 Cardiff Central to London Paddington
1B18 1412 London Paddington to Cardiff Central
1L27 1654 Cardiff Central to London Paddington

 

[Melancholia]

6 car Turbo on some Paddington to Oxford runs today. 165104 + 165112

- 1D16 0820 London Paddington to Oxford (165112 attached at Reading)
- 1P16 1000 Oxford to London Paddington
- 1D22 1122 London Paddington to Oxford
- 1P22 1300 Oxford to London Paddington
- 1D28 1422 London Paddington to Oxford
- 1P28 1600 Oxford to London Paddington
- 1D34 1722 London Paddington to Oxford
- 1P34 1900 Oxford to London Paddington
- 1D40 2022 London Paddington to Oxford
- 1P40 2200 Oxford to London Paddington

Also, a 5 car Turbo doing the same. 165116 + 165125

- 1D18 0922 London Paddington to Oxford
- 1P18 1100 Oxford to London Paddington
- 1D24 1222 London Paddington to Oxford
- 1P24 1400 Oxford to London Paddington
- 1D30 1522 London Paddington to Oxford
- 1P30 1700 Oxford to London Paddington
- 1D36 1820 London Paddington to Oxford
- 1P36 2000 Oxford to London Paddington

 

[Siemens Staines]

165117 needed a couple of new wheelsets, as they all happened to be on the centre vehicle, the decision was made to chop it out and run as a temporary 2 car.

RTT shows 165117 returned to service as a 3-car last night on 1O96 2333 Reading - Gatwick, after six weeks as a temporary 2-car.

 

[TJDevon]

Where have all the Turbos gone? None in Devon yesterday and so far just one 2 car 165 today.

Loads of short formed trains on trains on Exmouth-Paignton services as a consequence.

 

[LUYMun]

165104 running in lieu of an IET between Paddington to Oxford today (subject to change as of 13:37):

Realtime Trains | 1D14 0722 London Paddington to Oxford | 10/02/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1P14 0900 Oxford to London Paddington | 10/02/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1D16 0820 London Paddington to Oxford | 10/02/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1P16 1000 Oxford to London Paddington | 10/02/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1D22 1122 London Paddington to Oxford | 10/02/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1P20 1200 Oxford to London Paddington | 10/02/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1D26 1322 London Paddington to Oxford | 10/02/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1P26 1500 Oxford to London Paddington | 10/02/2024

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Update: 20:59

It then terminated early at Reading "due to a fault with the train"...

Realtime Trains | 1D32 1623 London Paddington to Oxford | 10/02/2024

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...for it to be replaced by 165112!

Realtime Trains | 1P32 1800 Oxford to London Paddington | 10/02/2024

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Realtime Trains | 1P38 2100 Oxford to London Paddington | 10/02/2024

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[800301]

1D16 - 0822 Pad to Oxford
1P21 - 0959 Oxford to Pad
1D22 - Pad to Oxford
1P27 - Oxford to Pad

Currently showing as 165114+165116 today

 

[FenMan]

1D16 - 0822 Pad to Oxford
1P21 - 0959 Oxford to Pad
1D22 - Pad to Oxford
1P27 - Oxford to Pad

Currently showing as 165114+165116 today

Hazarding a guess, as the North Downs Line is closed all this week, freeing up a fair number of 165s, are they being put onto Paddington diagrams to enable more work to be done on the 800 fleet?

 

[800301]

Hazarding a guess, as the North Downs Line is closed all this week, freeing up a fair number of 165s, are they being put onto Paddington diagrams to enable more work to be done on the 800 fleet?

Nah, just lack of 800’s and Pad-Oxford is about the best they can do all day without running into issues of crew knowledge if they go further