I agree, can’t see why it will be any different.
I think the plan is the MK4’s will be every other hour with a 5 car in a 3+2 config with standard premium on the hours between the MK4’s.
Because, as we all know, the general public don't pay a lot of attention!
Oooh may be able to get it now if its going to West Wales.
It does look that way at the moment.
I may not make it for when it passes Neath Swansea later but will keep an eye out for what service its on tomorrow. I'm sure the Fishguard is booked for a Sprinter? it's more often than not a 150 or pair of 153s in my experience.
Thank you
I'm sure its booked for Sprinters weekdays as it ran as a 197 last Saturday.
Those are the original stickers for first. As I understand it the door is normally locked open to effectively hide those stickers. They need taking off really as it won't be introduced as First Class
It wouldn't have been very effective with such a small font size anyway, I imagine. It looks quite silly
Well, has to be 3 cars at a minimum as they’re all 3 car units so that helps a bit. On the marches it should be 5 cars unless there’s an issue with a 2 car that means it can’t be in service even coupled up.
Does look a pretty poor effort to be honest, especially as it seems that was all there was.It wouldn't have been very effective with such a small font size anyway, I imagine. It looks quite silly
The 6 coach 197 was exactly where I got the photo! It was lovely and spacious. What I wouldn't give for every Marches service to be like that.
To be honest, I think it’s more likely to be the other way round. Standard Plus is quite competitively priced and I can see it getting full.
Yes I could as well! Especially once people have cottoned on to it !
Agreed, sadly after the full roll out they won't be on west Wales services.Yes I could as well! Especially once people have cottoned on to it !
I personally would upgrade for anything over about 30 minutes if I had the option!
Perhaps they’ll go to Aberystwyth one day
You never know. If Network Rail continue to make life difficult re. operating 5 carriage 197 formations on Crewe Shrewsbury, TfW might have to make do with 3 and 4 carriage formations on the service, and do away with the original plans.
Why is it Network Rail making it difficult?
It's my understanding that they are refusing to allow TfW to provide 5 carriage 197 formations on this section of the network, for whatever reason.
5 carriages haven’t been cleared on the route but not anything to do with NR as far I know, cleaning runs are scheduled again for March so should get cleared at some point.
Ah my mistake involving NR then.
From what I was told there's issues with ASDO from the previous 6 car proving, hence the reduction from 6 to 5 on the next proving run but that there are also concerns from NR about something to do with some of the crossovers with longer 197 formations but unsure of the full details.
Oh ok that’s interesting! Perhaps there is an issue raised by NR then.
It may be my mistake, and NR may have an issue. We may never know the full details.Ah my mistake involving NR then.
With the two separate, but equally awful 21st century resignalling schemes in place over the majority of the route between Manchester and Shrewsbury nothing surprises me any more - including issues with the crossovers if that really is the problem!
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Ends up back at Canton at the end of the day so thats good.Looks like 197120 is doing today's 1030 Carmarthen to Manchester according to RTT.
[/URL]Realtime Trains | 1W57 1030 Carmarthen to Manchester Piccadilly | 18/02/2024
Real-time train running information for 1W57 1030 departure from Carmarthen to Manchester Piccadilly on 18/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.