jonesy3001
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Is there a website or link to the new timetables or do you have to wait for the TOCs to publish them on there websites?
How long does one have to wait for this so-called 8 minutes service from Watford Junction to Hemel Hempstead? I note they don't include that figure.Interesting article that I’ve only just spotted confirming that the Hemel extensions of the West London Line are going in June.
The article blames it squarely on Network Rail too
www.hemeltoday.co.uk/news/transport/hemel-hempstead-commuter-train-to-london-scrapped-due-to-overcrowding-pressures-4557110
Definitely. Overcrowding the metro service to HW, where about 5 people get off before GX and where the majority disembark at the penultimate stop, felt illogical.IIRC there is a class 68 hauled service that operates Tu-Thur from Princes Risborough towards London in the morning but Mon & Fri that runs as a unit, presumably by adjusting other stock lengths. So a form of demand related adjustment.
The clock face timetable didn't last long! Beaconsfield were a big loser of the evening pattern so I'm not surprised to see this adjustment, the 1749 is overcrowded whenever I've seen it. I'd suspect these additionals could also be a hauled set as they were during the GWR issues affecting Oxford services.
You can look at individual schedules on RealTimeTrains or similar or there's the Railway Data website which has provisional June timetables in traditional route table format.Is there a website or link to the new timetables or do you have to wait for the TOCs to publish them on there websites?
I've just spotted that the 18:37 MYB to BSW stops at Princes Risborough, but for embarking only. Any ideas why this is/ how this will work?
Ah ok, thanks. Useful to know.It won't be enforced to those in the know. It'll just mean it isn't shown on the displays at Marylebone so people don't crowd it out.
Ah ok, thanks. Useful to know.
YesHas Greater Anglia published it's June timetable yet?
Has Greater Anglia published it's June timetable yet?
It’s available on RTT, just select a date after 1st of JuneHas Greater Anglia published it's June timetable yet?
Has Greater Anglia published it's June timetable yet?
A 7-day timetable?Some slight changes to SX early morning Yarmouth services. It is hoped to rehash the regional timetables (possibly getting towards a 7 day timetable) from May 2025.
I.e. no difference between Mon-Fri, Sat and Sunday - the same service every day.A 7-day timetable?
Some slight changes to SX early morning Yarmouth services. It is hoped to rehash the regional timetables (possibly getting towards a 7 day timetable) from May 2025.
Wow!I.e. no difference between Mon-Fri, Sat and Sunday - the same service every day.
From approx 09:00 on Sundays the timetable may be close or the same as Monday to Saturdays. It is very close to it now on Greater Anglia regional routes.A 7-day timetable?
I thought the weekend timetable had different calling patterns to satisfy the weekend demand for ‘bird watchers’ using the remote stations.
Wow!
Could only dream of such things in Wales or Northern land…!
And here in ScotlandWow!
Could only dream of such things in Wales or Northern land…!
Or even Guildford, to be quite specific. Although if it was 7 day timetable, there wouldn't be 2 fast trains an hour to Clapham Junction apart from in the early morning and evening peak.And here in Scotland
That will be difficult in the Cambridge/Ely area, where the current Sunday timetable is quite different from Mondays to Saturdays.It is hoped to rehash the regional timetables (possibly getting towards a 7 day timetable) from May 2025.
That will be difficult in the Cambridge/Ely area, where the current Sunday timetable is quite different from Mondays to Saturdays.
That includes Greater Anglia's own Liverpool Street and Norwich-Stansted services.
From a performance point of view GA's new timetable is a disappointment. Local trains still essentially timed for 321 performance rather than 720's.I'm not seeing any retimings of the GE services.
I.e. no difference between Mon-Fri, Sat and Sunday - the same service every day.
There's no apparent reduction in GE timings to Ipswich Southend Braintree or Clacton, where we know a late running service could run by a 360 could gain at least 6 or 7 minutes when running late between Stratford and Colchester. It looks more like a rebadge exercise - no real improvement in overall journey times at all.They have been retimed for 720s. On the WA they have been on 720 timings since December.
In exactly the same way as the various foreign railways that are / used to be viewed enviously for their reliability. A journey time of 40 minutes sounds better than 46. However, there’s a lot to be said for “46 minutes 98% of the time” over “40 minutes on a perfect day - otherwise take your pick of anything with a number that starts with “f” at the front”I'm guessing that all these copious amounts of excess running time is what keeps Anglia nearer the top of punctuality charts.
No one is suggesting a 40 minute London to Colchester schedule, but a few minutes improvement could be reliably achievable with a modest trimming of some schedules to reflect the superior performance of the 720's. Maybe a trial speeding up of selected off peak services might see how well this works in practice. Peak services are clearly timed slower to fit as many trains south of Shenfield based on a 3 min headway and there seems no solution for that without huge infrastructure expense.In exactly the same way as the various foreign railways that are / used to be viewed enviously for their reliability. A journey time of 40 minutes sounds better than 46. However, there’s a lot to be said for “46 minutes 98% of the time” over “40 minutes on a perfect day - otherwise take your pick of anything with a number that starts with “f” at the front”
My figures of 40 and 46 were purely “out of the air” - the relevant bit was the 6 minute difference between them.No one is suggesting a 40 minute London to Colchester schedule, but a few minutes improvement could be reliably achievable with a modest trimming of some schedules to reflect the superior performance of the 720's. Maybe a trial speeding up of selected off peak services might see how well this works in practice. Peak services are clearly timed slower to fit as many trains south of Shenfield based on a 3 min headway and there seems no solution for that without huge infrastructure expense.
Which actually leads to a downgrade for Chelmsford - Stratford passengers with 5 tph reduced to 4tph. Ideally, both Intercity services per hour should call at Stratford in the off-peak. It's an increasingly popular place to change trains and as a destination.Not very much has changed apart from speeding & tidying up the Intercity timetable & the 08:00up/17:00dn (SX) running fast between Stratford & Ipswich. The Chelmsford stop has been added to the xx:30up/xx:00dn with the alternate half hour only calling Stratford then Colchester in both directions.
If we are talking about Liverpool Street to Colchester non-stop then your 'out of the air' figures are very coincidental because 40 mins represents a good clear run, while 46 minutes is the current schedule. The relevant piece of information is why such a disparity over such a short distance. IIRC the French allow 3.5 mins per 100km (62 miles) or 4 min per 100km depending on the type of service.My figures of 40 and 46 were purely “out of the air” - the relevant bit was the 6 minute difference between them.