Stagecoach South West - Fleet News & Discussion

[MarkC]

New service registered from 30th October in Plymouth.

Service 30/31. Royal Parade to Royal Parade via Mannamead and Peverell. Is this a mix of the old 31 and 39 subsidised services withdrawn at start of this year perhaps?

 

[-Colly405-]

Would be great if it was a reincarnation of the *old* 30/31 via Tor Lane, Beacon Pk and Keyham
Every 12 minutes each way round, in 1974

 

[MarkC]

Would be great if it was a reincarnation of the *old* 30/31 via Tor Lane, Beacon Pk and Keyham
Every 12 minutes each way round, in 1974

Stagecoach 30 Plymouth - Royal Parade, Mutley, Ashford Crescent Mannamead , Kneele Gardens Hartley Vale, Morrisons Outland Road, Peverell, Mutley, Royal Parade

Stagecoach 31 Plymouth - Royal Parade, Mutley, Peverell , Morrisons Outland Road, Kneele Gardens, Hartley Vale, Ashford Crescent Mannamead, Mutley, Royal Parade

Both are hourly services Monday to Friday daytimes from 30th October

Stagecoach announce service changes across Devon from 29th October including new services 30 and 31 in Plymouth

South West Timetables

www.stagecoachbus.com

 

[158 fan]

Stagecoach 30 Plymouth - Royal Parade, Mutley, Ashford Crescent Mannamead , Kneele Gardens Hartley Vale, Morrisons Outland Road, Peverell, Mutley, Royal Parade

Stagecoach 31 Plymouth - Royal Parade, Mutley, Peverell , Morrisons Outland Road, Kneele Gardens, Hartley Vale, Ashford Crescent Mannamead, Mutley, Royal Parade

Both are hourly services Monday to Friday daytimes from 30th October

Stagecoach announce service changes across Devon from 29th October including new services 30 and 31 in Plymouth

South West Timetables

www.stagecoachbus.com

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What buses will run these routes?

 

[150249]

What buses will run these routes?

Optares have been running them. 48014/015 went down from exeter but 015 was swapped for 003.

 

[158 fan]

Optares have been running them. 48014/015 went down from exeter but 015 was swapped for 003.

ok

 

[MarkC]

Stagecoach to take over Taunton Park and Ride in Somerset from February. Operating out of Tiverton outstation

 

[158 fan]

Stagecoach to take over Taunton Park and Ride in Somerset from February. Operating out of Tiverton outstation

where will they get the buses?

 

[Simon75]

Stagecoach to take over Taunton Park and Ride in Somerset from February. Operating out of Tiverton outstation

That's a bit out the way from Taunton.
Surely an outstation in Taunton would be better

 

[150249]

where will they get the buses?

It'll be exeter buses.

That's a bit out the way from Taunton.
Surely an outstation in Taunton would be better

Too costly I'd expect. There's no point if they only need to store one bus there.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

That's a bit out the way from Taunton.
Surely an outstation in Taunton would be better

Have you considered the fact that Tiverton has spare capacity so that there's no additional rental cost there?

Having an small outbase of just three vehicles means only perhaps 5 drivers. How do you cover holidays locally?

Also, a larger outbase at Tiverton means you can get engineering cover sorted sooner/justify a spare vehicle, so more service resilience?

Aren't those arguments for why Tiverton is a better solution, at least until there is a greater amount of Taunton area work (i.e. critical mass?)

 

[158 fan]

Have you considered the fact that Tiverton has spare capacity so that there's no additional rental cost there?

Having an small outbase of just three vehicles means only perhaps 5 drivers. How do you cover holidays locally?

Also, a larger outbase at Tiverton means you can get engineering cover sorted sooner/justify a spare vehicle, so more service resilience?

Aren't those arguments for why Tiverton is a better solution, at least until there is a greater amount of Taunton area work (i.e. critical mass?)

Could they run the Exeter routes (e.g. the 355) from a Tiverton outstation as well?

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Could they run the Exeter routes (e.g. the 355) from a Tiverton outstation as well?

Some already do e.g. 0613 55 and 0655 1 ex Tiverton do so. Some boards start in Tiverton and finish in Exeter, and vice versa, as a means of cycling the vehicles through Matford depot.

 

[matt_splat]

Have you considered the fact that Tiverton has spare capacity so that there's no additional rental cost there?

Having an small outbase of just three vehicles means only perhaps 5 drivers. How do you cover holidays locally?

Also, a larger outbase at Tiverton means you can get engineering cover sorted sooner/justify a spare vehicle, so more service resilience?

Aren't those arguments for why Tiverton is a better solution, at least until there is a greater amount of Taunton area work (i.e. critical mass?)

I believe Tiverton or Exeter run a contract to Bridgwater for workers early in the morning, the middle of the day and the evening. This could work well for some driver changes and break cover.

 

[150249]

A number of buses have now been transferred. Mostly from Scotland.
22572, 27533, 27602, 36034, 36202, 36206, 36324.

Rumours on a Facebook are that Torquay are due a number of new optares, 48139-48148 being mentioned. I wonder if there are any more new orders coming our way.

 

[150249]

37477 burst into flames outside Axminster on the 44A this morning.

 

[embers25]

37477 burst into flames outside Axminster on the 44A this morning.

Had to be one of the good 68 plate singles, our newest buses At least it looks like everyone got out ok.

 

[158 fan]

Have you seen this? http://www.plymothiantransit.com/2024/02/the-colour-of-taunton.html This livery looks weird but reminds me of Exeter's green park and ride on the e300s.

 

[Russel]

I can't see a thread for Stagecoach South West (Devon), apologies if there is one and I've missed it!

Is there a plan to bring back the 222 (Teignmouth - Dawlish Warren open-topper) this year? Last year I believe it started in April, weekends only, but I can't seem to find anything about it for this year...

 

[richw]

I can't see a thread for Stagecoach South West (Devon), apologies if there is one and I've missed it!

Is there a plan to bring back the 222 (Teignmouth - Dawlish Warren open-topper) this year? Last year I believe it started in April, weekends only, but I can't seem to find anything about it for this year...

It was mentioned in the April changes that it won’t be back this year due to poor patronage last summer

 

[Russel]

It was mentioned in the April changes that it won’t be back this year due to poor patronage last summer

Ah, shame.

Though the low patronage may have been down to how often it didn't run at all or started mid afternoon.

 

[padbus]

Scania/E400 open topper 15665 spent yesterday working on service 57 (Exeter-Exmouth). This is an actual observation backed up by bustimes.org.

 

[embers25]

Sensible route allocation if desperate for vehicles given the whole route was cleared for open top operation as the 95 used to come from Exeter in service, albeit very empty.

 

[Wolvercoter]

Scania/E400 open topper 15665 spent yesterday working on service 57 (Exeter-Exmouth). This is an actual observation backed up by bustimes.org.

Eyeballed this too yesterday morning, heading into Exeter along Topsham Road. Thought it was a pleasant way for folk to go to work!!

 

[150249]

10456 has been repainted into a special green, white and blue devon bus livery and is currently on show at the Devon County Show

 

[Bornin1980s]

The Solo SRs have been full too often leaving passengers stranded (including an elderly relative) with the 30-minute frequency. When they were first introduced frequency was every 10 minutes on E and F (now E1 and E2). The slightly larger E200s are welcome!

I wish it could still be more frequent! How do you even use such infrequent busses when they can't stick to the timetable anyway? Context, non-driving household moving to Exwick.

 

[DaveHarries]

It would appear, from information on bustimes.org, that there will be a number of route and timetable revisions effective 01st September. Among these changes will be, it appears, the splitting of Service 21/21A with a new 21B taking the Barnstaple - Ilfracombe section and a route revision to the 4 in Exeter. Anyway details I can find are as follows:

Tavistock & Okehampton:
New route: 6B
Route variation only: 87 (inbound)
Timetable variations only: 5, 5A, 5B, 6, 6A

Barnstaple, Bideford & Tiverton:
New route: 21B
Route and timetable variations: 21, 21A, 315A
Timetable variations only: 10, 14, 15, 19, 24, 55, 71, 75, 155, 301, 315, 346, 351, 372, 373,, 663S

Torbay:
Timetable variation: 12, 53
Route and timetable variation: 23

Exeter & Exmouth:
New route: K
No details to clarify revision: F, I, J, R, S, 1, 1A, 98, 98A, 98E, 157, 178, 357
Timetable variations only: A, B, C, E, 58, 95, 97, 99, 358, UNI
Route and timetable variations: P, 4, 4A, 44, 44A, 57, 96, 360

Notes on the above:

Barnstaple:
19 (Barnstaple - North Devon Hospital):
Registration is for "revision of evening journey times between Bus Station and North Devon District Hospital to interwork with new evening 21/21A timetables" which suggests that the 21 & 21A will be operating to / from NDDH on evening journeys: nothing in registration about daytime journeys.

21, 21A (Ilfracombe - Westwood Ho! / Appledore)
21B (Barnstaple - Ilfracombe / Georgeham)
Registration is for a "redesign on the 21/21A timetables to operate between Barnstaple and Westward Ho! Or Appledore respectively" and a separate Service 21 registration for "addition of 00:00 Barnstaple to Bideford journey to replace 00:05 journey withdrawn for the winter season for the last day of operation on 7th September." There are also changes to schoolday journeys on the 821 & 921 and the introduction of new 21B service between Barnstaple Rail Station and Ilfracombe.

315 / 315A: the details for the changes on these routes is the same in both registrations.

Tavistock:
For the 6B, which is specified as Tavistock to Okehampton via. Mary Tavy, the registratiopn says that the 6B will provide "one journey in each direction Monday to Friday between Tavistock and Okehampton. In the morning, there will be a journey at 0840 from Tavistock to Okehampton. In the afternoon, there will be a journey at 1420 from Okehampton to Tavistock" and that the 6B will connect with 6A journeys to & from Exeter for which there is a separate registration.

Exeter:
The exact changes to the 44 & 44A are unclear. The 4 is given as having a timetable revision only with the route and timetable change for the 4A but the 4 is given as running from "Pennsylvania North Park Road" which is in the Exeter University campus while the 4A continues to serve St. Davids.

It would seem that the changes to the P might relate to the new Service K: the latter is registered as "Cowley Bridge to Pennsylvania via. Exeter City Centre" suggesting that the K replaces the northern part of Service P. It is possible that the new K may be the reason behind the changes to the F which currently serves Cowley Bridge.

Full list of routes indicating effective date for changes:

PH1020951 – STAGECOACH DEVON LTD – bustimes.org

HTIOI,
Dave

 

[embers25]

Some are now on Travelinesw https://nationaljourneyplanner.travelinesw.com/swe/XSLT_SELTT_REQUEST?itdLPxx_page=ttb:

373 - Minor retimings and 5 mins extra running time
355 - Minor retimings
99 - Retimed but can't see any major changes
97 - Retimed and reduced to every 75 mins from roughly every 60 with a gap
96 - Minor changes to times
95 - Reverts to low season hourly off peak timetable
58 - Minor retiming and removal of middle of the day short journey from Exeter to Woodbury that the T covers to Woodbury anyway
57 - Minor retimings
55 - Minor retimings
12 - Torquay-Brixham shorts gone and every 12 Newton Abbot-Brixham Mon-Sat, every 20 on Sunday
1 - Minor changes and journey times generally increased slightly
UNI - Can't see any difference except the addition of an 1850 from Uni to St Lukes
R/S - Minor journey time changes
P - Same route Crossmead to High Street and then takes over from E1/E2 between High Street and Pinhoe via Stoke HIll with the same 30 min frequency as present both sections. This is except evenings and Sunday where it also serves Pennsylvania and Lancelot Road (though not Savoy Hill)!
F1 - South Street-York Road-Lancelot Road and Savoy Hill hourly Mon to Sat not evenings replacing the F and increasing the frequency to Savoy Hill back to hourly
F2 - South Street-York Road-Lancelot Road-Summerway hourly Mon to Sat not evenings replacing the F and increasing the frequency to Summerway back to hourly
E - Sidwell Street-Exwick every 15 mins weekdays/ every 20 Saturdays, every 30 Sundays, hourly evenings going the same way round the Exwick loop replacing the E1/E2 Exwick section
A - Minimal change although looks like odd journeys removed

 

[Xavi]

E - Sidwell Street-Exwick every 15 mins weekdays/ every 20 Saturdays, every 30 Sundays, hourly evenings going the same way round the Exwick loop replacing the E1/E2 Exwick section

So no service on Exwick Road?

 

[150249]

So no service on Exwick Road?

That was what I was wondering. I think there is service just not towards town? Only towards Farm Hill

Edit: just checked the timetable and it looks like it doesn't serve Exwick Road. These changes all seem a bit useless


Bus requirement looks to be:
2 for the F1/2
6 for the E
3 for the P
Likely 1 or 2 for the K
So more buses will have to be drafted in. This suggests that the new SR's may be headed to Exeter