Far-right protests

[Gloster]

My feeling is that a lot of what Farage is saying is aimed at getting him approval from certain factions in the USA…and approval means grift. If he creates a self-fulfilling prophesy, it will only improve his opportunities over there.

 

[jon0844]

My feeling is that a lot of what Farage is saying is aimed at getting him approval from certain factions in the USA…and approval means grift. If he creates a self-fulfilling prophesy, it will only improve his opportunities over there.

For sure. He'll be seen as a warrior by the MAGA crowd. Maybe he'll get to meet Trump next time he visits.

 

[najaB]

Maybe he'll get to meet Trump next time he visits.

Care of the Federal Bureau of Prisons, hopefully.

 

[Spamcan81]

IMO it is wrong to give these events legitimacy by calling them protests. They are just acts of violence and thuggery with some racism and Islamophobia thrown into the mix.
The instigators need to feel the full force of the law.

 

[TheSmiths82]

I don't get it, I used to take part in a lot of protests a few years ago, one of them was attended by more than 1 million people and as far as I know not a single person was arrested and police presence was minimal. The far right idiots are nothing more than football hooligans. I am not sure what they are trying to achieve but the law needs to come down hard on them. The problem is they know the prisons are full .

 

[Lewisham2221]

Ah, I see the usual impartial talking heads are out in force on the forum today. Did you condemn the violence in Leeds a couple of weeks ago, when the police simply ran away?

That was different. The police weren't (and aren't) expecting or prepared for that level of disorder to break out. Poorly prepared, massively outnumbered police officers aren't just going to stand their ground until they end up dead or seriously injured.

The police will have had intelligence on most of this weeks disorder and thus prepare accordingly.

And yes, I did condemn that violence, much as I condemn this week's pointless violence.

 

[bahnause]

I don't believe for a second that this should be compared to any protests based on real concerns and worries. I still don't understand what these far-right *explicit* are protesting about....They're basically going around beating up people of colour and calling it a protest at this point.

Muslims had to be escortet out of Sunderland. A man of colour was punched in the face just for passing by. So why can they do it? Because we let them . It is the result of anti-migrant rhetoric from mainstream politicians who scapegoat refugees.

 

[Andyh82]

I’ve just seen footage online of teenagers smashing up shops in Hull, no face coverings, girls in tow egging them on

It’s times like this it’s a shame we don’t have water cannons

Ironically wasn’t it the right wingers that wanted to bring them in and they were stopped by left? I bet Starmer might rethink this decision.

 

[najaB]

Times like this it’s a shame we don’t have water cannons

Ironically wasn’t it the right that wanted to bring them in and they were stopped by the left?

We (meaning the UK) do have two (three?) water cannons. They're usually kept in Belfast.

 

[Gloster]

I’ve just seen footage online of teenagers smashing up shops in Hull, no face coverings, girls in tow egging them on

It’s times like this it’s a shame we don’t have water cannons

Ironically wasn’t it the right wingers that wanted to bring them in and they were stopped by left? I bet Starmer might rethink this decision.

If you mean the ones acquired by Johnson for use in London, weren’t they disposed of after they were banned for use in riot situations. The person who banned them: that well-known leftie Theresa May.

 

[Andyh82]

If you mean the ones acquired by Johnson for use in London, weren’t they disposed of after they were banned for use in riot situations. The person who banned them: that well-known leftie Theresa May.

Oh I assumed it was Khan who forbid their use in London after he became mayor, although I doubt he was rushing to challenge the decision made by May

 

[Donny Dave]

Just had a quick scan of the headlines on the BBC website, and there's trouble all over tonight, plus I've seen plenty of videos popping up on YouTube from the likes of GBnews and TalkTV, which are making things worse. Is Reform directing things from behind the scenes?

 

[Darandio]

Just had a quick scan of the headlines on the BBC website, and there's trouble all over tonight, plus I've seen plenty of videos popping up on YouTube from the likes of GBnews and TalkTV, which are making things worse. Is Reform directing things from behind the scenes?

As far as I can see the BBC ended their live page over 2 hours ago and haven't provided updates since. Where are they saying there's trouble all over tonight?

 

[Spamcan81]

As far as I can see the BBC ended their live page over 2 hours ago and haven't provided updates since. Where are they saying there's trouble all over tonight?

Live on the news as I type. Hull, Liverpool, Leeds and Manchester all mentioned.

 

[Darandio]

Live on the news as I type. Hull, Liverpool, Leeds and Manchester all mentioned.

It was the BBC website that was quoted. Again, nothing has been updated and those places are mentioned on reports from earlier today.

 

[Donny Dave]

Live on the news as I type. Hull, Liverpool, Leeds and Manchester all mentioned.

Blackpool and Bristol as well. @Darandio , these are listed in the latest updates, below the sports headlines on the main news page for England.

 

[Busaholic]

If you mean the ones acquired by Johnson for use in London, weren’t they disposed of after they were banned for use in riot situations. The person who banned them: that well-known leftie Theresa May.

You are absolutely right and the substantial bill for their cost should have been paid by Johnson, not that he ever pays for anything himself.

Frankly, speaking as one who had a dowsing or two from them exactly 55 years ago in foreign parts, they wouldn't achieve anything against the mindless thugs who are rioting other than provoke them into even grosser behaviour.

One of the many disturbing things seen in the riot videos is the use of young children by the rioters. An 11 year old was arrested for torching a car in Sunderland yesterday, for instance.

 

[Darandio]

Blackpool and Bristol as well. @Darandio , these are listed in the latest updates, below the sports headlines on the main news page for England.

I see loads of mentions in their articles about trouble happening in those places during today but nothing to suggest they're covering it happening all over tonight. I'm not being intentionally awkward, but some links would be great.

 

[Gloster]

One of the many disturbing things seen in the riot videos is the use of young children by the rioters. An 11 year old was arrested for torching a car in Sunderland yesterday, for instance.

I am not sure if the young children are directly being used by those who are starting off the disturbances. My feeling is that it is more that the right-wing provocateurs stir the pot and then let the idiots riot while they discreetly retire. They know full well that there are plenty of people who will take their children along or fail to ensure that the children are at home.

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I see loads of mentions in their articles about trouble happening in those places during today but nothing to suggest they're covering it happening all over tonight. I'm not being intentionally awkward, but some links would be great.

Or maybe they are concerned that posting details all over the Internet will merely get people going along to the riots. ‘Oh, look, the BBC says it is kicking off in our town. Let’s go down and watch/join in/get ourselves on telly.’ There is a point where instant reporting can be a danger.

 

[mikeg]

Interesting how the police could contain all dissent during the coronation but let this happen... Priorities much? Of course it doesn't help that many police have right wing sympathies. If they were serious about combating such people they'd work with the army and send in the tanks...
Also love how our cesspit media try to blame antifascists for this. They are the ones responsible as much as the rioters themselves.

 

[Darandio]

Or maybe they are concerned that posting details all over the Internet will merely get people going along to the riots. ‘Oh, look, the BBC says it is kicking off in our town. Let’s go down and watch/join in/get ourselves on telly.’ There is a point where instant reporting can be a danger.

Possibly. Although they've been covering it extensively at every other point so maintaining silence tonight would be strange. However, the posts I quoted say it's on the website and live on the news right now. Not seeing it.

 

[jon0844]

More and more commentators that incited this are now realising the optics are getting worse and now calling for these rioters to be arrested, with claims that they support free speech and the right to protest but never ever thought it could end up like this...

Even the Daily Express tried to pretend it was against the 'protests' after decades of dividing us and fueling the culture wars.

It seems to have gone quiet with the whole 'Antifa' type accusations of bad actors in the crowds - possibly because video shows quite clearly who these people are... like the guy with a swastika tattooed on his back, or the others giving Nazi salutes.

 

[mikeg]

More and more commentators that incited this are now realising the optics are getting worse and now calling for these rioters to be arrested, with claims that they support free speech and the right to protest but never ever thought it could end up like this...

Even the Daily Express tried to pretend it was against the 'protests' after decades of dividing us and fueling the culture wars.

It seems to have gone quiet with the whole 'Antifa' type accusations of bad actors in the crowds - possibly because video shows quite clearly who these people are... like the guy with a swastika tattooed on his back, or the others giving Nazi salutes.

This. I don't always agree with you but you're right on here. There is definitely a case for more regulation of our media.

 

[najaB]

If they were serious about combating such people they'd work with the army and send in the tanks...

Oh yeah, I'm sure that the local PCC can just call up the army and ask for tanks.

 

[mikeg]

Oh yeah, I'm sure that the local PCC can just call up the army and ask for tanks.

But isn't that part of the problem? Our democracy is too weak, it needs strengthening. The first task of a democratic state is to have a monopoly on the use of violent force, as well as to represent the people in a peaceful manner. This must be strengthened. Of course that would require changing the law (I assume it would) but I for one would be happy to see it happen.

I also recognise there are good people in the police, but they're too ineffective at combating the things that matter. They need to do more to protect working class communities like Hull from these fascist idiots, even if they come from within said communities.

 

[Busaholic]

More and more commentators that incited this are now realising the optics are getting worse and now calling for these rioters to be arrested, with claims that they support free speech and the right to protest but never ever thought it could end up like this...

Even the Daily Express tried to pretend it was against the 'protests' after decades of dividing us and fueling the culture wars.

It seems to have gone quiet with the whole 'Antifa' type accusations of bad actors in the crowds - possibly because video shows quite clearly who these people are... like the guy with a swastika tattooed on his back, or the others giving Nazi salutes.

GB News and Talk TV in particular are not doing much resiling. Some of the female commentators in particular are almost at Marjorie Taylor Greene levels of vile and bilious bigotry.

I'm afraid I can't do links, so perhaps someone can help out here, but I'm currently watching a YouTube video made earlier today entitled Mancunian Explosion, obviously taken from within the far-right mob without any commentary and it shows some extremely disturbing scenes, including chasing and catching a young black man and shouts of ''kick his head in'' before three police intervene. It was posted by FritzMedia.

 

[najaB]

But isn't that part of the problem? Our democracy is too weak, it needs strengthening. The first task of a democratic state is to have a monopoly on the use of violent force, as well as to represent the people in a peaceful manner. This must be strengthened. Of course that would require changing the law (I assume it would) but I for one would be happy to see it happen.

The purpose of the armed forces is to stand on the ramparts and do whatever is necessary to protect us from external enemies, the moment their weapons are pointed inward is the moment we stop being a democracy and start down the road to dictatorship.

 

[jon0844]

The purpose of the armed forces is to stand on the ramparts and do whatever is necessary to protect us from external enemies, the moment their weapons are pointed inward is the moment we stop being a democracy and start down the road to dictatorship.

Indeed, I suspect a lot of these people out rioting are the ones that said the army should be called to shoot/sink the boats. If the army wasn't being called out to stop them, they'd be all for it.

 

[najaB]

I'm afraid I can't do links, so perhaps someone can help out here, but I'm currently watching a YouTube video made earlier today entitled Mancunian Explosion, obviously taken from within the far-right mob without any commentary and it shows some extremely disturbing scenes, including chasing and catching a young black man and shouts of ''kick his head in'' before three police intervene. It was posted by FritzMedia.

Linked.

 

[175001]

Just walked across Manchester, and what a difference to 12 hours ago when I did the same
No Stone Island, Lonsdale, or bald heads.

Just people enjoying the warm weather