Haywain
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Apparently not for Super Off Peak Travelcards.
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Which train operators issue credit card sized tickets and which ones issue new style paper tickets?
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redreni
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No, but they're good for travelcards that are only available as Anytime or Off-peak - I now get inboundary day travelcards on Smartcard because if you want the Network Railcard discount it's either that or CCST.
I do wonder if the readers on barriers aren't being maintained as well as they used to be.
There is one barrier which I'm pretty sure wrecks the magnetic strip on tickets - maybe not all the time, but frequently.
I did mention it to the barrier staff once and they didn't seem to be interested.
Such a mess
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Indeed. It could be done for weekend tickets (well, I can think of a way) but not weekdays. The alternative is higher fares.
Chiltern have enabled their Super Off-Peak Travelcards for Smartcard fulfilment.
Whether their barriers accept them or enforce the time restrictions correctly I don't know, but the option's there.
I agree that most people prefer the convenience of e-tickets.
The sooner Project Oval is rolled out (with railcard capability) the better. Speaking to one of the gateline assistants at Stevenage yesterday they have people arriving on every train thinking they can use contactless.
It’s also a pity that KeyGo cannot be used beyond GTR, it would be perfect for a south-east wide PAYG system.
Given the recent successful campaign to retain Travelcards, there really needs to be some proper publicity to promote them.
The sooner Project Oval is rolled out (with railcard capability) the better. Speaking to one of the gateline assistants at Stevenage yesterday they have people arriving on every train thinking they can use contactless.
It’s also a pity that KeyGo cannot be used beyond GTR, it would be perfect for a south-east wide PAYG system.
Given the recent successful campaign to retain Travelcards, there really needs to be some proper publicity to promote them.
Given the way GTR have polluted the fares database with duplicate "Smart" versions of every product, I can't see any of the other TOCs being willing to implement it on their networks!
This isn't (well shouldn't be) a requirement though. SWR's pay as you go works without this right?
Based on my understanding of how it works it could equally easily use real fares
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That has absolutely no impact on the fares charged for KeyGo.
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I know for recent journeys I would've been better with travelcard(s) but just use my oyster, although being with a group of friends who prefer to uber than underground I was glad I didn't do a zone restrictive card on my last journey.
I do hope in time we can tie our railcards to our bank cards like I have for my oyster,
I do hope in time we can tie our railcards to our bank cards like I have for my oyster,
I remember a barrier at Harrow and Wealdstone that did this around 2012. The station staff didn't seem to understand.
My recent one (issued at Durham) was printed on PRT.
99% of gate lines wouldn't recognise it as a valid ticket when scanned. Leeds and (sometimes) Paddington being the only exceptions in my case.
Felt weird having an almost £1400 ticket on a flimsy bit of paper.
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one step forward and 2 steps back, aideally a ALR should be offered as a digital ticket (similar to how many shops now do receipts by email) the PRT is a mix bag I both like and dislike them, although my partner is much less likey to loose a PRT ticket to a card stock one,
Shops do e-mail receipts to capture contact details for marketing use. There's no reason why an ALR shouldn't be offered in multiple formats including (electronic for those that want them), owing to it's extended use and high value.
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Ah thanks for that, useful to know.
Shame to hear too that it has the same problem as its CCST counterpart with it not working the gates at most stations, very frustrating that is.
WMR/LNR's S&B ticket machines have been retrofitted with PRT printers, and use them for collection receipts and for PRT printing for some journeys now.
CCSTs are, of course, still printed for a lot of journeys, including those via London.
CCSTs are, of course, still printed for a lot of journeys, including those via London.
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The problem is that on CCST the ticket type code is the same for almost all rover tickets, and allowing any opens a can of worms while allowing none inconveniences a very small number of people. And the programming for barcodes is based on the CCST logic.
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For the benefit of clarity here is a image of a recent pair of tickets for a journey I took earlier in the month brought from the avanti office at Stoke
*Image 2 slightly crumpled PRT tickets for a journey between Tutbury&Hatton and Stoke-on-Trent. They have the typical orange & white banding but also feature a barcode for guards & gates to scan*
*Image 2 slightly crumpled PRT tickets for a journey between Tutbury&Hatton and Stoke-on-Trent. They have the typical orange & white banding but also feature a barcode for guards & gates to scan*
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They really ought to be looking at putting the bar code on the CCST in place of the magna stripe.
Yes, technology moves on and the stripe won't be there forever, but there's no good reason why we can't have a robust, conveniently sized ticket format as at present.
Yes, technology moves on and the stripe won't be there forever, but there's no good reason why we can't have a robust, conveniently sized ticket format as at present.
That would require replacement of every CCST printer in the country and software upgrades to support double-sided printing.
Can't see anyone being willing to support that unless they're forced to. Single-sided is a lot easier.
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To say nothing of the confusion that would be created over how to use ticket barriers.
It would be advisable to keep it in an NRE wallet. Stretch it across the two facing pockets and it shouldn't need to be taken out.
So haw many plastic wallets would need to be manufactured to enable that?
The alternative seems to be replacing every CCST printer with a bog roll printer, so someone's coughing up.
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Oh please, if people can find a bar code on their phone to waive at it they can find it on the ticket.
Are the existing CCST printers incapable of printing an Aztec code?
Other countries manage to print single-side-print rail tickets of the same size as CCST, with Aztec codes on them.
The photo below shows such a ticket, alongside a CCST.
Maybe I'm imagining it but I'm sure some years ago I got an advance ticket with an Aztec code on regular CCST stock.
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