They'll do nothing and the hen party won't learn to behave. Better to put them off at an intermediate station. See how they like the nightlife in Milton Keynes.
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Why do some passengers not get how annoying it is to play music and videos out loud?
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The problem is how do you get them off the train without BTP.
STINT47
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If the BTP are not available then someone should make a citizens arrest I'm situations like this.
If the people playing music out loud find themselves being detained until the police arrive and they're portable devices temporarily confiscated then it will start to focus minds and teach people how to behave.
It's reached the point where announcements and polite request don't work. I'm ready to take more proactive action and cannot be the only one.
If the people playing music out loud find themselves being detained until the police arrive and they're portable devices temporarily confiscated then it will start to focus minds and teach people how to behave.
It's reached the point where announcements and polite request don't work. I'm ready to take more proactive action and cannot be the only one.
Chuck their luggage (or ideally the loudspeaker) off and watch them follow.
Alternatively the time-honoured "this train is not moving until you get off"
trainophile
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No doubt alcohol was being/had been consumed by the "hens". That's a contributing factor (maybe THE contributing factor) in a good proportion of antisocial behaviour. That and some people being too dim to understand that inflicting their phone conversations on the whole carriage is not the way to behave.
That is never going to happen.
It can and does happen. Very much depends on the behaviour in question.
Not likely just for playing music, admittedly.
If they just sit fast and refuse to move then what can the guard do on his own? Refusing to move the train will just delay everyone else's journey and possibly cause major disruption to other services.
The guard could make an announcement explaining the situation. Usually other people intervene and the person comes under “pressure” to leave. If the behaviour exhibited is sufficiently concerning then it becomes a safety issue, and that takes precedence over delays and disruption.
"behaviour exhibited" by whom?
The hypothetical disruptive/music playing person/people you were referring to in the post I replied to!
They were not hypothetical. I was referring to the hen party in #326.
Okay, so if the behaviour of that group had been sufficiently concerning, the traincrew could absolutely have ordered them to leave the train and refused to move it until they did so. It sounds from @Huntergreed ’s description as though the behaviour was bordering on being bad enough to make that justifiable (ultimately the judgment is made by the crew).
You’ve said “never going to happen”, but you’ve been told by @Krokodil who I believe is an experienced guard that it can happen. I have also seen it happen on trains I have worked. So I’m not sure what point you’re making?
I struggle to see how a guard can physically remove a hen party without the assistance of BTP?
Re not moving the train until they get off, the train would just be blocking a platform and causing delays to other passengers (ongoing connections etc) and services so i would doubt it would happen in this situation.
Nobody has suggested they would be physically moved by the guard.
We seem to be going in circles. I’ve already pointed out that if the behaviour (in the opinion of the traincrew concerned) is bad enough then it becomes a safety issue, and they’re within their rights not to continue until the individuals have left the service, by whatever means. It can and does happen.
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Not quite the same but on a train home via Dover one day there was someone who refused to pay when challenged
The TM/guard/whoever walked away and then announced that we weren’t going anywhere as he was waiting for the transport police to attend to deal with a “miscreant”
That worked like magic
Yes, but that was with the intervention or perceived intervention of the BTP.
That helps too. I had a regular evader hide in the toilet until the train flew through his intended stop (the otherwise standard calling pattern is not quite universal). Came out and when challenged just said "me card don't work" as if that was a legitimate reason for not paying. I just told him that I'd be reporting to BTP. ten minutes later he was knocking at the cab door with a tenner in his hand.
But in the case of the hen party, I'd probably be impounding the speaker in the TM's office until Euston.
ChilternTurbo
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I've just spent a couple of days exploring Birmingham and the West Midlands by bus. It's probably unsurprising but the use of mobile phones on speakers playing content or being used on speakerphone really seems to be the norm now. This annoying and selfish behaviour seemed to be exhibited by people of all ages and ethnicities. At one point I realised that apart from me, the six other occupants of the upper deck of my National Express West Midlands bus were all playing content or having phone conversations on speaker. I was tempted to have an animated conversation with myself out loud about it! 
The quietest trip was accompanied by a young man who decided to sit opposite me and start smoking crack. Still, it was nice to ride on a Dennis Trident in 2024...
The quietest trip was accompanied by a young man who decided to sit opposite me and start smoking crack. Still, it was nice to ride on a Dennis Trident in 2024...
I've just spent a couple of days exploring Birmingham and the West Midlands by bus. It's probably unsurprising but the use of mobile phones on speakers playing content or being used on speakerphone really seems to be the norm now. This annoying and selfish behaviour seemed to be exhibited by people of all ages and ethnicities. At one point I realised that apart from me, the six other occupants of the upper deck of my National Express West Midlands bus were all playing content or having phone conversations on speaker. I was tempted to have an animated conversation with myself out loud about it!
The quietest trip was accompanied by a young man who decided to sit opposite me and start smoking crack. Still, it was nice to ride on a Dennis Trident in 2024...
My goodness, isn’t the above a great advert for always taking the train, if you possibly can?
thameslink2000
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Had a word with a woman on a bus recently who was watching videos on full volume, asked her politely if she could turn the volume down or use headphones.
"No I'm in public place" was her rude response.
So that's that, can't really do much else with that sense of entitlement, and the phone noise continued for the next hour of the bus journey...
"No I'm in public place" was her rude response.
So that's that, can't really do much else with that sense of entitlement, and the phone noise continued for the next hour of the bus journey...
If I’m working then I’ll announce and police the policy. Most comply but some kick off.
When I travel I won’t go without my noise cancelling earphones. If it’s last minute or I’m passing due to changes, I always have earplugs. If it’s not my train/bus/plane I won’t be asking anyone to turn the noise down. It’s not worth the risk. The earphones/earplugs are my way of coping.
When I travel I won’t go without my noise cancelling earphones. If it’s last minute or I’m passing due to changes, I always have earplugs. If it’s not my train/bus/plane I won’t be asking anyone to turn the noise down. It’s not worth the risk. The earphones/earplugs are my way of coping.
Did you start singing very loudly…..it being a public space and all?
Fiyero
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On the bus yesterday only 4 people upstairs, 2 noisy.
Was tempted to blast my music in a rap battle kind of way! (not sure they would appreciate the new recording of Sunset Boulevard but who knows!?)
Sprinter107
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The Birmingham buses are awful now with anti social behaviour. I know it's on all buses, but Birmingham buses seem a particular hotspot for loud music, smoking of illegal substances, and other not very nice behaviour. The amount of people who just walk on now, straight past the driver, with no intention of paying seems to be increasing too.I've just spent a couple of days exploring Birmingham and the West Midlands by bus. It's probably unsurprising but the use of mobile phones on speakers playing content or being used on speakerphone really seems to be the norm now. This annoying and selfish behaviour seemed to be exhibited by people of all ages and ethnicities. At one point I realised that apart from me, the six other occupants of the upper deck of my National Express West Midlands bus were all playing content or having phone conversations on speaker. I was tempted to have an animated conversation with myself out loud about it!
The quietest trip was accompanied by a young man who decided to sit opposite me and start smoking crack. Still, it was nice to ride on a Dennis Trident in 2024...
The West Midlands local trains are going the same way.
ThameslinkUser
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Sounds like its a Birmingham problem rather than a buses and trains problem.
Sprinter107
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Never thought of it like that !
satisnek
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Not on a train, but I was delighted to see this notice in the Flower Pot alehouse in Derby yesterday:
'We're getting there' as someone once said.