Why do some passengers not get how annoying it is to play music and videos out loud?

[ThameslinkUser]

On my way into Victoria this morning. Quiet until we get to East Croydon,

Is that not typical of Croydon?

 

[Fiyero]

I can see they are being trained young. Went to a carvery for lunch and the tables in every direction had a child with an iPad or equivalent. One was silently watching YouTube, the other 2 were far from silent!

 

[J-2739]

I can see they are being trained young. Went to a carvery for lunch and the tables in every direction had a child with an iPad or equivalent. One was silently watching YouTube, the other 2 were far from silent!

These are examples of what our generation calls 'iPad kids'; millennial parents who substitute digital devices for their inability to raise their own children.

 

[En]

These are examples of what our generation calls 'iPad kids'; millennial parents who substitute digital devices for their inability to raise their own children.

don;t think you understand what a millenial parent is

 

[J-2739]

don;t think you understand what a millenial parent is

Would be interested in seeing you attempt to clear that one up...

 

[stuu]

These are examples of what our generation calls 'iPad kids'; millennial parents who substitute digital devices for their inability to raise their own children.

Which every other generation of parents since the dawn of time would have done, if they had the choice

 

[En]

Would be interested in seeing you attempt to clear that one up...

millenials are now well into their 30s if not 40s ...
genz Z are now in their 30s ...

 

[Peter0124]

millenials are now well into their 30s if not 40s ...
genz Z are now in their 30s ...

Gen Z are in their 20s or late teens. As its from 1996-2009.

 

[jammmmmsssssss]

Gen Z are in their 20s or late teens. As its from 1996-2009.

It's until 2010 so I can be a gen z as I really don't want to be a gen alpha. Also that's what Google says anyway

 

[J-2739]

It's until 2010 so I can be a gen z as I really don't want to be a gen alpha. Also that's what Google says anyway

Looking at Wikipedia, a lot of sources seem set on the 1997-2012 range, so you are covered.

It is the post-2012 generation we need to watch out for, the way their parents force iPads down their throats rather than a caring hand, and therefore annoy us on the trains...

 

[Purple Train]

It's until 2010 so I can be a gen z as I really don't want to be a gen alpha. Also that's what Google says anyway

Excuse my ignorance, but why is it particularly good/bad to be in one generation as opposed to another? As someone who didn't know what generation he fell into until approximately ten seconds ago*, I'm intrigued as to why it's such a big deal!

*I did know the term Generation Z, after being pulled up on pronouncing it "generation zed", but hadn't a clue which age group it referred to!

 

[gazzaa2]

Is there much point in putting up notices which can easily (and will) be ignored? If there are rules in places which state people should not be causing a nuisance through excessive noise, what is needed is enforcement of those rules, and for that you need authoritative people. You cannot expect the more considerate members of the public to do this as the selfish/thoughtless individuals have long since worked out they can retaliate against standard members of the public with no comeback. There also have to be consequences to repeated violation of the rules. Without all that, the issue is permanent, and it is apparent now that some have an entitlement attitude (which comes from a lack of consequences to actions) to doing what they want in public shared spaces as though they were at home.

First step is to show that it's not acceptable. That will stop most of it at source. Yes you'll never stop anti-social ignorants but it's the average person that needs telling.

Problem now is it is considered normal and accepted. Even if there's a sign on every train people will be more willing to challenge those doing it, even just pointing to the sign. Guards would then enforce it more when walking down the train. It would stop most of it.

 

[greyman42]

Which every other generation of parents since the dawn of time would have done, if they had the choice

I am sure that is not true as previous generations seemed to take a lot more interest in their kids upbringing.

 

[jammmmmsssssss]

Excuse my ignorance, but why is it particularly good/bad to be in one generation as opposed to another? As someone who didn't know what generation he fell into until approximately ten seconds ago*, I'm intrigued as to why it's such a big deal!

*I did know the term Generation Z, after being pulled up on pronouncing it "generation zed", but hadn't a clue which age group it referred to!

Gen alpha are brainrot iPad kids

Looking at Wikipedia, a lot of sources seem set on the 1997-2012 range, so you are covered.

It is the post-2012 generation we need to watch out for, the way their parents force iPads down their throats rather than a caring hand, and therefore annoy us on the trains...

Exactly

 

[Purple Train]

Gen alpha are brainrot iPad kids

If you say so!

Problem now is it is considered normal and accepted. Even if there's a sign on every train people will be more willing to challenge those doing it, even just pointing to the sign. Guards would then enforce it more when walking down the train. It would stop most of it.

Exactly. I'd be far more willing to point to a sign than actively tell someone to mind their volume, as it feels like there would be less prospect of retaliation.

 

[jammmmmsssssss]

Exactly. I'd be far more willing to point to a sign than actively tell someone to mind their volume, as it feels like there would be less prospect of retaliation.

I don't have the confidence for any of those things. I'd just look at my phone (looking pissed off) and ignore it

 

[TUC]

Excuse my ignorance, but why is it particularly good/bad to be in one generation as opposed to another? As someone who didn't know what generation he fell into until approximately ten seconds ago*, I'm intrigued as to why it's such a big deal!

*I did know the term Generation Z, after being pulled up on pronouncing it "generation zed", but hadn't a clue which age group it referred to!

Feel free to call it Generation Zed. Gen Zee is a pronunciation popularised by Gen Zeders who spend so much time on US websites and shows that they are ignorant about their own country.

 

[jammmmmsssssss]

Feel free to call it Generation Zed. Gen Zee is a pronunciation popularised by Gen Zeders who spend so much time on US websites and dhows that they are ignorant about their own country.

I call it gen zee as it sounds better and zed for everything else. This is mainly because of the people around me. I mainly watch British YouTubers as I can relate to them more

 

[Meerkat]

The tombstone seats help for this - you can loudly comment "The sign says no music!" and they wont be able to tell who said it.

 

[Max]

I've noticed that some guards have started to get a bit hotter on enforcing this recently. On a recent late night London to Manchester Avanti the guard firmly but politely asked two men to stop playing videos out loud "as it's a late night train". This was complied with, with no complaints.

Today, on an LNER service, the guard specifically announced that people shouldn't play music or videos out loud without headphones to avoid annoying other passengers. Again, this seemed to work really well (and I wasn't even in the quiet coach).

Please TOCs, more of this!

 

[stuu]

I am sure that is not true as previous generations seemed to take a lot more interest in their kids upbringing.

Based on what? Children should be seen and not heard was a mantra not all that long ago, admittedly amongst the upper classes. When I was a kid we buggered off out all day from the age of about 8, and I can very clearly remember kids being stuck in front of the TV as a babysitter in the 1980s.

I don't think very much has changed, it's just more visible because you can take a tablet or phone with you

 

[TUC]

Based on what? Children should be seen and not heard was a mantra not all that long ago, admittedly amongst the upper classes. When I was a kid we buggered off out all day from the age of about 8, and I can very clearly remember kids being stuck in front of the TV as a babysitter in the 1980s.

I don't think very much has changed, it's just more visible because you can take a tablet or phone with you

The difference is that a TV at home isn't disturbing other people from outside your family.

 

[AndrewP]

About time for me to throw in my twopence!

Firstly I am Generation X i.e. young enough to love tech and old enough to get really annoyed by it

In terms of annoyances, based on my own unscientific observations, it seems to be as follows:

• Intercity Trains - Parents letting small children watch videos and business people barking into phones with excessive self importance and no regard to confidentiality
• Suburban Trains and buses - Kids and young people listening to music and TikTok's without headphones (great with headphones and TikTok's are a guilty pleasure of mine) and people of various ages using speakers inappropriately for phone calls
• Cafes - older people on video calls and business people on Teams / Zoom calls who have forgotten their headphones

The only ones I have sympathy for are those with headphones where the Bluetooth has failed and they don't realise they are actually listening on speaker - guilty as charged on this once or twice (so embarrassing)

 

[Peter0124]

The only ones I have sympathy for are those with headphones where the Bluetooth has failed and they don't realise they are actually listening on speaker - guilty as charged on this once or twice (so embarrassing)

Reminds me of those prank videos on youtube were they deliberately play something embarassing out loud and pretend to have the headphone connected, until someone says to them its not.

 

[yorksrob]

About time for me to throw in my twopence!

Firstly I am Generation X i.e. young enough to love tech and old enough to get really annoyed by it

In terms of annoyances, based on my own unscientific observations, it seems to be as follows:

• Intercity Trains - Parents letting small children watch videos and business people barking into phones with excessive self importance and no regard to confidentiality
• Suburban Trains and buses - Kids and young people listening to music and TikTok's without headphones (great with headphones and TikTok's are a guilty pleasure of mine) and people of various ages using speakers inappropriately for phone calls
• Cafes - older people on video calls and business people on Teams / Zoom calls who have forgotten their headphones

The only ones I have sympathy for are those with headphones where the Bluetooth has failed and they don't realise they are actually listening on speaker - guilty as charged on this once or twice (so embarrassing)

Reminds me of those prank videos on youtube were they deliberately play something embarassing out loud and pretend to have the headphone connected, until someone says to them its not.

I find that the manufacturing quality of headphone sockets has declined considerably within the last ten to fifteen years. Never had a problem with any growing up, but I've found them needing repair/replacement recently.

 

[Huntergreed]

Horrendous experience on AWC, massive hen party who were blasting very loud EDM out of a speaker (some of which had very choice lyrics, and there were children in the carriage!)

TM asks them to turn it off and they go ballistic shouting “****ing jobsworth” and similar as he leaves the coach. The second he leaves, it comes back on.

I moved coach, but a shocking display of ASB, and I believe they’re going all the way to Euston!

 

[londonbridge]

I guess they’d go even more ballistic if he threatened to put them off the train and/or have BTP meet them at the next stop then.

 

[lookapigeon]

I don't understand how antisocial people are these days, I was on a bus and there was one person talking on the phone to someone in their family, on speakerphone, and another catching up on the latest Eastenders, on loudspeaker. Complete cacophony as a result, and the other person on the end of the phone kept saying they couldn't hear what the caller was saying.
If you use the phone as a phone (as in holding it to your ear and talking into the microphone, as we have done for hundreds of years) it wouldn't have been such a problem, you could keep your call private and hear the other person on the end of the line. Funny that not every call needs to be made on loudspeaker, no idea where this trend came from, but I blame the apprentice for making it popular.

 

[AndrewP]

I find that the manufacturing quality of headphone sockets has declined considerably within the last ten to fifteen years. Never had a problem with any growing up, but I've found them needing repair/replacement recently.

You are right on this - i had never realised but it seems to have mirrored the growth of Bluetooth

 

[Peter0124]

I guess they’d go even more ballistic if he threatened to put them off the train and/or have BTP meet them at the next stop then.

Could always have the BTP meet on arrival at Euston