No Northern services between Sheffield and Doncaster on New Year's Day.

[Peterthegreat]

Northern have cancelled all their services between Sheffield and Doncaster tomorrow (01/01/25) citing 'predicted flooding'.
So far TPE and XC services are not affected.

 

[stuartl]

Is that due to the problems that often happen at Rotherham central when there's very heavy rain ? Do TPE and XC use that route or do they go via the old Masborough station ?

 

[Peterthegreat]

Is that due to the problems that often happen at Rotherham central when there's very heavy rain ? Do TPE and XC use that route or do they go via the old Masborough station ?

Well Northern have said Sheffield to Leeds trains via Moorthorpe will not call at Rotherham Central tomorrow. However flooding at Rotherham Central should not prevent Sheffield to Doncaster and Hull services running via Masborough.

 

[Donny Dave]

TPE, XC, and Northern all go via Masborough, with the Northern service to/from Adwick going via Rotherham.

 

[Horizon22]

I'll wait for the usual RUK weather circlejerk to happen:

[Predicted flooding] - "so they've thrown in the towel at the first notification of weather, no actual confirmed water, typical TOCs who can't organise anything or divert trains"
or
[Flooding happens] - "why have Northern stranded everyone at stations and offered no alternative travel or routes surely they should have seen this coming"

 

[Peterthegreat]

TPE, XC, and Northern all go via Masborough, with the Northern service to/from Adwick going via Rotherham.

But there is nothing preventing the Adwick services going via Masborough. In any case the Sheffield to Hull services will not run between Sheffield and Doncaster either.

National Rail are now saying there will be no services at all between Sheffield and Doncaster (ie no TPE or XC).

 

[Sheffcaster202]

Looks like a Network Rail decision to close the lines...full information found here

Replacement road travel has been requested, ticket acceptance across the board

 

[GordonT]

For many of us resident in ScotRail's patch the concept of a New Year's Day rail service seems a very odd one.

 

[STINT47]

If it turns out that there is no flooding then Northern run the risk of having their brand image ruined by a Netwok Rail decision. Not good for them.

 

[Peterthegreat]

I must say I am very surprised by this as there are no flood warnings in place in south Yorkshire.

 

[stuartl]

Tram trains are also cancelled between Meadowhall and Rotherham

 

[NewarkRed]

It can and it will flood between Swinton and Sheffield…

 

[robbeech]

If it turns out that there is no flooding then Northern run the risk of having their brand image ruined by a Netwok Rail decision. Not good for them.

That isn’t going to be a problem.

 

[Peterthegreat]

It can and it will flood between Swinton and Sheffield…

And between Swinton and Doncaster??

 

[robbeech]

It is another damned if you do / don’t situation. If they cancel them all now and arrange replacement transport then passengers will hopefully get where they need to go, albeit likely late. Or give up and obtain a refund.

If they don’t and it floods the chances of arranging RRB for New Year’s Day ON New Year’s Day is incredibly slim.

The best they should do is automatically arrange ticket acceptance via other available routes that may ordinarily be unreasonable.

If they expect Swinton to be ok they could Shuttle a bus between Moorthorpe and South Elmsall, or strengthen Lincoln services to allow travel on LNER from Retford (Though Kiveton is not great in heavy rain).

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I'll wait for the usual RUK weather circlejerk to happen:

[Predicted flooding] - "so they've thrown in the towel at the first notification of weather, no actual confirmed water, typical TOCs who can't organise anything or divert trains"
or
[Flooding happens] - "why have Northern stranded everyone at stations and offered no alternative travel or routes surely they should have seen this coming"

Poor Northern; my heart bleeds for them at the unfairness of it all.

 

[Peterthegreat]

Northern have now amended their website (Journey Check). Trains will now run between Sheffield and Doncaster but will not call at Rotherham.

 

[Bill57p9]

For many of us resident in ScotRail's patch the concept of a New Year's Day rail service seems a very odd one.

Agreed. However to be fair most (but by no means all) ScotRail routes run on Boxing Day, unlike most routes in England and Wales.

 

[eastwestdivide]

Northern have now amended their website (Journey Check). Trains will now run between Sheffield and Doncaster but will not call at Rotherham.

That’s also what’s showing on RTT at the moment, with lots of very short term alteration (VVR) entries against the trains that would normally call at Rotherham C. E.g.

Realtime Trains | Departures from Aldwarke Jn around 1200 on 01/01/2025

Train information at Aldwarke Jn around 1200 on 01/01/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Also the tram-trains are showing as very short notice cancelled (VCN),

Realtime Trains | Departures from Rotherham Central around 1200 on 01/01/2025

Train information at Rotherham Central around 1200 on 01/01/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Usually the area by the canal basin/triangle beside the bridge at Rotherham Road is the first to flood, as a culvert there can’t handle high flows.
As map coordinates here: (53.4408514, -1.3511400)
Or google maps app gives me https://maps.app.goo.gl/G6q6DCGYPrM9Nwrs5?g_st=ic

 

[JKP]

Northern have now amended their website (Journey Check). Trains will now run between Sheffield and Doncaster but will not call at Rotherham.

Trains will fail to call at Rotherham? Very poor use of English.

 

[CaptainHaddock]

There's a full programme of Football League games tomorrow and in most places no buses are running. With Rotherham United playing at Lincoln, it's a disgraceful decision by Northern to refuse to run trains from Rotherham after many fans will have already booked tickets.

 

[stuartl]

There's a full programme of Football League games tomorrow and in most places no buses are running. With Rotherham United playing at Lincoln, it's a disgraceful decision by Northern to refuse to run trains from Rotherham after many fans will have already booked tickets.

But is it a Northern decision. The travel south yorkshire website says that it's a network rail decision, that's why tram train is also suspended.
Also Northern website is listing fares to Lincoln, bus from Rotherham to Meadowhall, then train. So football fans should be OK.

 

[The exile]

There's a full programme of Football League games tomorrow and in most places no buses are running. With Rotherham United playing at Lincoln, it's a disgraceful decision by Northern to refuse to run trains from Rotherham after many fans will have already booked tickets.

“Hundreds of Rotherham supporters stranded at [insert appropriate station] because Northern Rail ignored weather warnings…”

 

[Peterthegreat]

A couple of Rotherham supporters stranded at [insert appropriate station] because Northern Rail ignored weather warnings…”

Corrected for you.

 

[CaptainHaddock]

“Hundreds of Rotherham supporters stranded at [insert appropriate station] because Northern Rail ignored weather warnings…”

But yellow weather warnings should be ignored. All they are is just the Met Office covering its backside and telling us the weather is going to be exactly what you'd expect at this time of year. Red weather warnings are the only ones you need to be concerned about.

 

[AverageJoe]

But yellow weather warnings should be ignored. All they are is just the Met Office covering its backside and telling us the weather is going to be exactly what you'd expect at this time of year. Red weather warnings are the only ones you need to be concerned about.

Flooding isn’t just an inconvenience, it could be deadly if there was any small amount of land slip or ballast disturbance on a line.

it’s worth taking safety into consideration.

 

[The exile]

Flooding isn’t just an inconvenience, it could be deadly if there was any small amount of land slip or ballast disturbance on a line.

it’s worth taking safety into consideration.

Neither of which, being very localised, require or would necessarily trigger any kind of Mat Office warning.

 

[AverageJoe]

Neither of which, being very localised, require or would necessarily trigger any kind of Mat Office warning.

I’m not sure what you mean by that, but if there are currently flood warnings happening and TOCs or NR are cancelling services then it could be due to safety concerns and I think people would rather be safe right?

 

[The exile]

I’m not sure what you mean by that, but if there are currently flood warnings happening and TOCs or NR are cancelling services then it could be due to safety concerns and I think people would rather be safe right?

What I mean is that it is perfectly possible for there to be a potential weather-related but very localised safety risk for NR without it triggering a Met Office warning.

 

[AverageJoe]

What I mean is that it is perfectly possible for there to be a potential weather-related but very localised safety risk for NR without it triggering a Met Office warning.

Ok, but as there is a met office warning isn’t it wise to take that in to consideration and play it safe?