No Northern services between Sheffield and Doncaster on New Year's Day.

[CaptainHaddock]

Ok, but as there is a met office warning isn’t it wise to take that in to consideration and play it safe?

Yes, that means being aware of potential disruption and keeping an eye on rising water levels. It doesn't mean cancelling all trains "just in case", when it might turn out the water levels don't rise high enough to stop trains running.

 

[GuyGibsonVC]

For many of us resident in ScotRail's patch the concept of a New Year's Day rail service seems a very odd one.

Same in the North East.

No Northern service on New Year’s Day and no buses, either.

 

[Darandio]

Same in the North East.

No Northern service on New Year’s Day and no buses, either.

Not quite no service tomorrow. We have the second year of Whitby trains, this time from Darlington.

 

[GuyGibsonVC]

Not quite no service tomorrow. We have the second year of Whitby trains, this time from Darlington.

I didn’t know that, so good to hear. How did that come about? Pressure from local councils?

Hopefully, the weather doesn’t impact too many trips to Whitby.

 

[Bow Fell]

If Network Rail have imposed a restriction of use on that line, then the TOC’s have little choice but to abide by it.

It will have been discussed in depth on a EWAT (Extreme weather (and) adverse temperarures) conference with representatives from the MetDesk discussing and charting the rainfall and weather in these locations with flooding hotspots paid particular attention to.

Having attended and still attending a number of EWAT’s, just pulling the train service is not taken on the flip of a coin. It’s discussed in depth, the alternatives available and associated risk based on the data available.

I’ll be sure to copy and paste this post next time we have a weather event!

 

[GordonT]

I didn’t know that, so good to hear. How did that come about? Pressure from local councils?

Perhaps it was an attempt to appease Alan Williams, 'Modern Railways' columnist for the past 50 years and Chairman of the Esk Valley Railway Development Company for over 10 years.

 

[Peterthegreat]

Traksy (and probably others) are now showing LB (line blocked) at Rotherham Central.

 

[Krokodil]

If it turns out that there is no flooding then Northern run the risk of having their brand image ruined by a Netwok Rail decision. Not good for them.

What have they got left to lose?

There's a full programme of Football League games tomorrow and in most places no buses are running. With Rotherham United playing at Lincoln, it's a disgraceful decision by Northern to refuse to run trains from Rotherham after many fans will have already booked tickets.

Yes, absolutely disgraceful that the Met Office should arrange heavy rain when there's a soccer match on. They should plan it for a weekday instead...

 

[MrEwy]

Just get t bus

 

[Bayum]

Did the flooding occur in the end?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Did the flooding occur in the end?

Well there's this on the NRE site about TPE services:

Incident: TPE Weather | National Rail

Poor weather may affect TransPennine Express services. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

You cannot travel – there are no trains running and no replacement buses.

But it is unspecific as to exactly where flooding exists, except between Manchester and Preston.
The Met Office did issue an Amber weather warning for heavy rain over the south Pennines, late last night.

Northern say both routes Manchester-Liverpool are closed plus a number of others.

 

[30907]

Well there's this on the NRE site about TPE services:

Incident: TPE Weather | National Rail

Poor weather may affect TransPennine Express services. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

But it is unspecific as to exactly where flooding exists, except between Manchester and Preston.

Seem to be major problems in the Mancester area affecting several routes, but not specific locations (Manchester-Stockport-the south seems to be unaffected).

FYI an amber warning for rain for the Pennines and as far west as Preston was issued at 2038 last night.

PS and a happy New Year

 

[eastwestdivide]

Did the flooding occur in the end?

At Rotherham? It might not happen until later, as the usual floods are from unusually high run-off from the higher ground around Greasbrough/Wentworth, which a culvert under the railway can’t cope with. It might take a while for it all to accumulate. I may be able to take a look later - if so, I’ll post a photo

 

[josh-j]

Doesn't look like anything can get to the airport (Manchester) or through East Didsbury, Gatley etc. at the moment.

And for TPE, looks like the route through Standedge is flooded.

 

[Iskra]

No Tram-Train either.

 

[eastwestdivide]

No Tram-Train either. So Rotherham is completely cut off from public transport today.

Northern journeycheck says buses to Meadowhall:

Rail Replacement:
To assist customers to complete their journey, a road replacement shuttle service will operate between Meadowhall - Rotherham, in both directions, and will run at the following times:
Meadowhall to Rotherham
From 07:30, then at xx:00 and xx:30 past each hour until 23:35. Operated by Phantom Travel.
Rotherham to Meadowhall
From 08:00, then xx:30 / xx:00 past each hour until 00:30. Operated by Phantom Travel.

 

[Peterthegreat]

No Tram-Train either. So Rotherham is completely cut off from public transport today.

Not quite true. Northern are running a half hourly shuttle bus to/from Meadowhall.

 

[Iskra]

Northern journeycheck days buses to Meadowhall:

Not quite true. Northern are running a half hourly shuttle bus to/from Meadowhall.

Ah okay, I saw a tweet from Supertram saying they’d been unable to arrange anything.

At least the good people of Rotherham can keep moving then

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

EMR has managed to reach Stockport from Nottingham/Sheffield, so the Hope Valley route must be open.

 

[NewarkRed]

EMR has managed to reach Stockport from Nottingham/Sheffield, so the Hope Valley route must be open.

TPE must have looked at that and thought “EMR are running, we won’t bother”

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Seem to be major problems in the Mancester area affecting several routes, but not specific locations (Manchester-Stockport-the south seems to be unaffected).

The location information was rather vague. Manchester Metrolink was reporting problems between Firswood and Trafford Bar, which is presumably at the point where the line dives under the line to/from Altrincham. Problems also near to Manchester Airport/Shadowmoss.


(Flooding on the A555 Airport Bypass Road and the adjacent Metrolink track near to Manchester Airport.)

 

[AverageJoe]

The location information was rather vague. Manchester Metrolink was reporting problems between Firswood and Trafford Bar, which is presumably at the point where the line dives under the line to/from Altrincham. Problems also near to Manchester Airport/Shadowmoss.

View attachment 171966
(Flooding on the A555 Airport Bypass Road and the adjacent Metrolink track near to Manchester Airport.)

Looks like 2 people tried to brave it and failed

 

[geoffk]

For many of us resident in ScotRail's patch the concept of a New Year's Day rail service seems a very odd one.

Avanti, LNER, XC, TPE and Lumo are running to and from Edinburgh and/or Glasgow. I expect their trains will be busy. Normal train service in England except the Newcastle area, where Northern isn't running anything.

 

[eastwestdivide]

View from the Rotherham Road bridge about 1115: track dry. On the left of the line in the first pic, the water in the culvert is right up to the grating, compared to a normal level of maybe 6-10 feet down. There was a Network Rail van in the distance (2nd pic) and a couple of people in orange, possibly inspecting. Close up of culvert in 3rd pic. The sandbags have been there ages.
The nearby River Don was running very high and fast. I think Rotherham didn't quite catch as much rain as the forecast. It didn't start until later than forecast and finished (as forecast) about 8-9 this morning.

 

[Class 170101]

Doesn't look like anything can get to the airport (Manchester) or through East Didsbury, Gatley etc. at the moment.

Manchester Piccadilly to the Airport appears to have re-opened according to Open Train Times but is showing FAIL between the Airport and Wilmslow.

And for TPE, looks like the route through Standedge is flooded.

Looks that way, though the route through the Calder Valley appears open.

 

[eastwestdivide]

From RTT, it looks like services were restored at Rotherham C after midday, first being a tram-train at 1224, and the first train at 1258, the 1224 from Adwick to Sheffield.

 

[AndyHudds]

Tried to set off to Wigan from Huddersfield today for the match. Nothing out towards Manchester and still isn't, tried to make our way up the Calder Valley on to Preston but the game was called off on route so hopped off at Hebden Bridge.

I asked the staff at Huddersfield where the flooding was but they didn't know!! She just said 'on the network'. What is concerning is the lack of resilience on the network, everytime we have a storm, the network collapses. Is flooding being caused by drains and culverts not being maintained or more water making its way on to the lines? I know it's been done to death though the 'lack of resilience'.

Hope we have some trains in the morning, I have to get to work in Leeds.

 

[AverageJoe]

Tried to set off to Wigan from Huddersfield today for the match. Nothing out towards Manchester and still isn't, tried to make our way up the Calder Valley on to Preston but the game was called off on route so hopped off at Hebden Bridge.

I asked the staff at Huddersfield where the flooding was but they didn't know!! She just said 'on the network'. What is concerning is the lack of resilience on the network, everytime we have a storm, the network collapses. Is flooding being caused by drains and culverts not being maintained or more water making its way on to the lines? I know it's been done to death though the 'lack of resilience'.

Hope we have some trains in the morning, I have to get to work in Leeds.

I’m not sure if you have seen on the news but areas of greater Manchester have experienced shocking flooding today with cars under water and homes with severe damage. It’s not just the railway affected.

 

[AndyHudds]

I’m not sure if you have seen on the news but areas of greater Manchester have experienced shocking flooding today with cars under water and homes with severe damage. It’s not just the railway affected.

That's fair enough then, I haven't seen any news, but if there is extensive flooding then obviously, that's not good.

 

[Class 170101]

Tried to set off to Wigan from Huddersfield today for the match. Nothing out towards Manchester and still isn't, tried to make our way up the Calder Valley on to Preston but the game was called off on route so hopped off at Hebden Bridge.

I asked the staff at Huddersfield where the flooding was but they didn't know!! She just said 'on the network'.

Standedge Tunnel area was shown as flooded earlier on Open Train Times and thus blocked Marsden to Stalybridge.

What is concerning is the lack of resilience on the network, everytime we have a storm, the network collapses. Is flooding being caused by drains and culverts not being maintained or more water making its way on to the lines? I know it's been done to death though the 'lack of resilience'.

The problem is historic in a way unfortunately. The engineers of the time built the railways the cheapest way possible, this included following river valleys, of course as climate change has taken effect and flooding worsened by it the formations of the railways are even more severely affected than they were in the past.