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Storm Eowyn Disruption - 24/1/25

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Friend of mine who intends to travel to Scotland with Lumo on sat is asking me whether the trains will be running (because obviously working for the railway means I know everything about every operator and every bit of the network :rolleyes::D).

Best advice I can give at this point is probably to monitor the website(?). I can see issues continuing into Saturday. I’ve suggested she refund her hotel if she can, but not sure whether that’s possible…
 
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Friend of mine who intends to travel to Scotland with Lumo on sat is asking me whether the trains will be running
I think they won’t be running. We’ll probably see lumo cancelling (or only running to Newcastle) at some point soon
 

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Slightly odd situation on Calder Valley. All Wigan to Leeds and Manchester to Leeds have been cancelled, yet Chester to Leeds and Headbolt Lane to Blackburn still running.
Likewise Sheffield to Nottingham; all EMR trains still running Friday, all Northern trains cancelled, despite the area only having a yellow weather warning.
 

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Likewise Sheffield to Nottingham; all EMR trains still running Friday, all Northern trains cancelled, despite the area only having a yellow weather warning.
Even weather which only attracts a yellow warning brings it's fair share of damage and disruption. Thinning out the service provision and cancelling some duplicate services provides a bit more resilience when it all goes Pete Tong
 

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It would take a significant emergency services response to deal with a train hitting a tree. Those emergency services will be stretched to their limit already so thinning the service, running trains at reduced speeds and cancelling services through the Amber and Red warning areas mitigates that eventuality and will save lives.

It's bad luck when it affects individual plans but extreme weather events are on the rise, particularly in Autumn and Winter, so the possibility of inclement weather affecting a journey should be at the back of everyone's mind if they book advance tickets for train, coach, maritime or air journeys at this time of the year.
 

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Though saying it today and offfering validity extension means the latter can potentially make arrangements to return home today instead of waiting until tomorrow.
Which is what I’ve done. I’m in West Yorkshire this week and was meant to be flying home from Manchester tomorrow teatime. At least I know where I stand and I’ve been able to change my flight for free (fair play to Loganair) and it means I can sort out an extra night’s hotel now rather than scrabbling around at the last second.

I am sceptical about the extent of the DO NOT TRAVEL, though, given how Northern’s warnings seem to correlate more with where they are short staffed rather than where there’s a red warning.
 

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I am sceptical about the extent of the DO NOT TRAVEL, though, given how Northern’s warnings seem to correlate more with where they are short staffed rather than where there’s a red warning.

I did wonder that about WMT but it seems the Runcorn Bridge is an issue as noted above - it is uniquely exposed, probably only the Forth Bridge is comparable? I guess there's only paths for Avanti to divert, not both. Ticket acceptance would be nice, though. And Avanti should probably, if they are diverting, tell Runcorn they're getting no service sooner rather than later - too late and people can't make alternative arrangements.

Northern...yeah, it does seem they're using it as an excuse by withdrawing whole services instead of just turning them short.
 

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Northern...yeah, it does seem they're using it as an excuse by withdrawing whole services instead of just turning them short.
It’s just cynical. West Yorkshire and the Calder Valley is right on the edge of the Amber warning and nowhere near the Red warning, but they’ve binned everything off. I really can’t help but think it’s just an excuse.
Slightly odd situation on Calder Valley. All Wigan to Leeds and Manchester to Leeds have been cancelled, yet Chester to Leeds and Headbolt Lane to Blackburn still running.
It’ll take a while for everything to pull through but they’re not running anything between Manchester Victoria and Bradford Interchange. They will run Chester-Manchester Victoria so that might be why they still show in some systems.

I’m sceptical about the reasons as the Calder Valley isn’t in the are expected to be the worst affected.
 

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It’s just cynical. West Yorkshire and the Calder Valley is right on the edge of the Amber warning and nowhere near the Red warning, but they’ve binned everything off. I really can’t help but think it’s just an excuse.

It’ll take a while for everything to pull through but they’re not running anything between Manchester Victoria and Bradford Interchange. They will run Chester-Manchester Victoria so that might be why they still show in some systems.

I’m sceptical about the reasons as the Calder Valley isn’t in the are expected to be the worst affected.
Yeah, my local forecast (town on Calder Valley line) has no rain at all all day, only up to 50-60 mph winds, nothing like what’s forecasted in other parts of the country.
 

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I am sceptical about the extent of the DO NOT TRAVEL, though, given how Northern’s warnings seem to correlate more with where they are short staffed rather than where there’s a red warning.

I suppose that’s possible. Although you’d hope they wouldn’t be that cynical, and they aren’t exactly shy about blaming cancellations on staff shortages on other occasions.
 

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Red warning ( which is rare) for here in central belt of Scotland ,Schools closed tomorrow, advice not to go out . For me that means stay indoors and cant see much if any public transport running here.
 

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Of course there will still be those - including in this thread - who think it is complete overkill and that TOCs are going too far and DO NOT TRAVEL is an extreme cop-out. I'd remind people that Network Rail and TOCs get detailed weather reports bespoke to the railway several days out and after several big incidents over the last few years know how their routes will fair, available response resources, known hotspots etc. and the likely impacts of all this. Of course if the forecast worsens, then it will only be more justified. If the forecast improves, personally I'd rather an abundance of caution and accepting the "we told you so" comments rather than the opposite issue of a significant incident(s) occuring on the network.
to add to your reply above, Network Rail and the relevant TOCS will also be having pretty much hourly Weather conference calls, on those calls are people, I believe to be from the Met Office.
 

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I’m sceptical about the reasons as the Calder Valley isn’t in the are expected to be the worst affected.
I think you are being overly cynical. A fair proportion of the Calder Valley services are crewed from the East side, and as far as I can see are/were fully covered tomorrow.
 

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to add to your reply above, Network Rail and the relevant TOCS will also be having pretty much hourly Weather conference calls, on those calls are people, I believe to be from the Met Office.

I think Network Rail use MetDesk but they are weather professionals all the same.
 

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Not sure if XC have been mentioned:-



CrossCountry services to the North-East of England and Scotland on Friday 24 January will start and terminate at Leeds, with only a limited shuttle service between Leeds and Newcastle.

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For all other routes, please check your journey before you travel and only travel if necessary north of Sheffield.

Tickets for travel between Leeds and Edinburgh on Friday 24 January are valid for travel from Thursday 23 January to Monday 27 January.
 

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For all the problems I, the eternal cynic, have with ScotRail, the do not travel notice for the Central Belt in this case is fully justified. Not often both Edinburgh and Glasgow get hit this badly as it's usually - and obviously - only the latter that gets the worst of these Atlantic brutes barrelling in from the west (or least that's how it feels living in a flat on the foot of the Kilpatrick Hills whenever one hits). Could've put it out at least a day ago though, dithered just a bit too long. Refunds would've came thick and fast either way tho.

As for lines worst affected, anything west of Dalmuir and Paisley will be properly battered over the next 2 days; can see Bowling getting flooded yet again. I'd also keep an eye on Dalmarnock too, that has a history of flooding in events like this.

A family lunch in the West End with a aunt and uncle from down south that was planned for Saturday has been kiboshed thanks to this (they were meant to be driving up I think tomorrow, not risking it now given they drive a high-sided campervan), and I'll be hunkering down as much as I possibly can (will still need to walk the dog; fun times lie ahead).

It's bad luck when it affects individual plans but extreme weather events are on the rise, particularly in Autumn and Winter, so the possibility of inclement weather affecting a journey should be at the back of everyone's mind if they book advance tickets for train, coach, maritime or air journeys at this time of the year.
Of course, we've always have had the occasional extreme weather event (the rainfall that resulted in the Argyle Line flooding in December 1994 spring right to front of mind; that was a terrifying near miss to put it mildly), but by my casual observations, they've steadily been on the rise for over a decade now as climate change has accelerated. I think the national mentality of 'tis just a bit of wind/rain', fostered by our usually rather mild/temperate climate will take a long time to be shaken off, as evidenced every time one of these storms hit and the responses on threads like this one about the railway under or overreacting.

I can only remember one windstorm from early 2010 (I ended up finding out my high school was closed after getting the bus down there. I hadn't gotten prior notice of the closure before anyone pops off at me for going out in it. Said storm was unflatteringly nicknamed Hurricane B**bag up here incidentally; pretty sure a few members here remember that one). Now I can barely keep track of the ones that have hit Glasgow in the past few months alone, there's been that many. This incoming one is a particularly violent brute though, so maybe it will stick in the national memory a bit longer like the Storm of '87 did. Who knows, just have to wait and see.
 
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Friend of mine who intends to travel to Scotland with Lumo on sat is asking me whether the trains will be running (because obviously working for the railway means I know everything about every operator and every bit of the network :rolleyes::D).

Best advice I can give at this point is probably to monitor the website(?). I can see issues continuing into Saturday. I’ve suggested she refund her hotel if she can, but not sure whether that’s possible…
I have a slight feeling the line is closed north of Newcastle, so I doubt it'll be running...
 

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Northern have cancelled everything between Newcastle to Ashington & Morpeth to Carlisle between 10am and 8pm with no replacement bus and a 'do not travel' warning.

Ashington tomorrow on Realtime Trains: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...25-01-24/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

Article by Northumberland County Council https://www.northumberlandline.uk/post/service-disruption-due-to-storm-eowyn :

Service Disruption due to Storm Eowyn​


Northern are advising customers to avoid travel where possible on Friday 24th January and if you do choose to travel make sure you check before starting your journey as trains may be cancelled at very short notice with onward connections not possible.

For the Northumberland Line and services from Newcastle to Carlisle or Newcastle towards Morpeth, Alnmouth, Berwick and Scotland, the advice is do not travel as trains are expected to be cancelled and replacement buses will not be available. The rail line north of Newcastle will close between 11am and 7pm on Friday 24th January due to the expected high winds.
 

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Maybe time to reconsider the trip to the hills!?

Let's face it,no-one is going to climb any sort of real hill in 60 plus gusts. It is not ergonomically possible. We await Cpt Haddock's report on his successful attempt on Mam Tor with interest.
 

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Not sure if XC have been mentioned:-



CrossCountry services to the North-East of England and Scotland on Friday 24 January will start and terminate at Leeds, with only a limited shuttle service between Leeds and Newcastle.

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For all other routes, please check your journey before you travel and only travel if necessary north of Sheffield.

Tickets for travel between Leeds and Edinburgh on Friday 24 January are valid for travel from Thursday 23 January to Monday 27 January.

Thanks for posting this as even earlier I was looking at them as a possibility (train I believe about 7 and another a bit later?), even had I stayed and managed but even they are staying south tomorrow
 

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I think you are being overly cynical. A fair proportion of the Calder Valley services are crewed from the East side, and as far as I can see are/were fully covered tomorrow.
Tbh, I think the main problem with the Calder Valley line is the fact that between Copy Pit/Summit Tunnel and Bradford Interchange/Brighouse it runs through some fairly densely wooded areas.....with a high risk of falling trees.
 

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Yes, that’s exactly what I intend to do. Friday’s my day off so I’ll be getting a train out into the hills, being aware of any potential disruption but wilfully ignoring any “do not travel” warnings.

In fact I’m rather looking forward to it, a bright blustery day makes for a very exhilarating walk out on the tops! And yes, if I do get stranded I’ll fully accept it was my own choice to take that risk; I’m not sure why that makes you so angry?

I’m not sure why you think I’m angry? But I can assure you I’m not. Good luck for tomorrow!
 

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With regard to WMT I read elsewhere that the issue is the Runcorn Bridge specifically. I wonder if that means Avanti will divert via Earlestown?
I was about to respond to your previous message regarding the decision. Yes, Runcorn Bridge is the reason we've been given as it does get rather windy there naturally, given the land shape, and regularly sees items on the OHLE/track so I think it's more of a 'we expect damage or items on the OHLE' and maybe emergency services being ready and available to head further north if needed rather than keeping that line open.
 

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Let's face it,no-one is going to climb any sort of real hill in 60 plus gusts. It is not ergonomically possible. We await Cpt Haddock's report on his successful attempt on Mam Tor with interest.
See post#186. In view of the enhanced warnings I've decided to leave The Great Ridge for another day and will probably head for the Derwent Valley Way section between Derby and Belper. Assuming of course Northern can get me from Elsecar to Sheffield.....all Penistone Line trains have already been cancelled.
 

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As with previous so-called storms, it's very disappointing that TOCs seem to issue "DO NOT TRAVEL" warnings at the drop of a hat when it would be far more sensible to say "travel if you like, we'll run the best service we can but be prepared for some disruption".

More likely 'be prepared for your train to become stranded in the middle of nowhere with no possibility of rescuing you for a long time'.

I’ll refer you to post #47.

TOCS do not issue these notices at the drop of a hat. They do it for safety.

I’ve seen far too many days where trees and wires come down in storms, several thousand people stranded, trains stuck and damaged, and lo and behold all the customers do is moan Moan moan about why the train company had let the customer get into that situation.

Same here; There is a very real danger to life in this storm, in the railway's case to passengers, traincrew, and the staff sent out to deal with incidents.

Experts and their models hardly live up to scrutiny. Just a guessing game.

So there's not actually going to be a storm? OK.

If they've advertised a service and sold tickets for it then surely they have a moral (perhaps also legal) obligation to honour that contract until such point as it becomes impossible to do so?

It is clear now that it will be impossible, not to mention dangerous, to attempt to run trains, at all, in the affected areas.

I am away down south at the moment but I am seriously worried for the safety of my family, not to mention the state of my home, in the West of Scotland. This is a time when our comfortable complacent lives simply cannot carry on regardless.
 
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