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Thoughts on the Trump presidency

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The issue matter isn't clean cut. Although many will agree with President Trump's policies, he was still the person suggesting/alluding that people inject bleach to cure a virus (DON'T try it, it's highly dangerous).
I'd like to think that none of the people on this forum would even entertain the idea of injecting bleach, but I suppose we have to cover all bases.

I do think his policies will bring some positives though.
Really? Which Trumpian policies do you think will bring some positives?

Firstly, Biden was obviously inept at the job and it was rumoured that his cognitive function was severely impaired.
Trump's cognitive function has also been called into question.

President Trump has said that he won't pander to climate change/electric vehicle pushers.
He's a fool for ignoring climate change - take one look at the recent situation in California. As for your comments about "electric vehicle pushers", if EVs were completely rubbish, nobody would be buying them. A proper leader would be embracing the switch to EVs and would be encouraging American manufacturers to develop the technology.

Trump is also a business man and you need business brains to run a country.
Do we really need business brains to run a country? A successful leader will bring together brains from all walks of life and will seek advice accordingly. If you primarily rely on business brains, you'll end up with policies that only benefit other business brains and that that's not necessarily good for everyone.

Although he is entitled to his own personal views regarding transgenderism, he was very harsh in his speech by suggesting that trans people don't exist...which ofcourse of course they do.
We'll have to see how this particular policy works out. The very fact that Trump has stated that there are only two genders will be a wolf-whistle for those who seek to discriminate against anyone who doesn't "conform". I expect that violence against anyone whose sexuality or gender doesn't conform to straight/cis norms will increase.
 
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Trump is also a business man and you need business brains to run a country.
A businessman who went bankrupt running a casino. Think about that for a moment.
Although he is entitled to his own personal views regarding transgenderism, he was very harsh in his speech by suggesting that trans people don't exist...which ofcourse they do.
He didn't "suggest" that trans people don't exist. He made it the official policy of the US government.
 

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A businessman who went bankrupt running a casino. Think about that for a moment.
I'm also not convinced that even if someone was good at running a business (which Trump demonstrably isn't) they would actually also be good at running a country. They strike me as extraordinarily different propositions.
 

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A businessman who went bankrupt running a casino. Think about that for a moment.
This happened ore than once I believe.

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I'm also not convinced that even if someone was good at running a business (which Trump demonstrably isn't) they would actually also be good at running a country. They strike me as extraordinarily different propositions.
Reminds me of those people who voted for W. Bush in 2000 on the basis of 'he's the kinda guy you'd wanna have a beer with'. Which couldn't be more different to running a country of any size or global importance/influence, never mind the US. How fun he is down at the local boozer with a few knocked back doesn't - not for me, nor should it for anyone else; that ain't never gonna change sadly - factor into my voting choices.

Same applies to the Orange One. He's clearly a crap businessman, so I wouldn't cast my vote on that basis (ignoring the rest of his repugnant qualities).
 
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Trump is also a business man and you need business brains to run a country.
I would argue that trying to treat the country as if it was some sort of glorified business has caused many of the issues we've had since '08.
 

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I wonder if those who voted for Trump (or stayed at home) because of Biden's actions towards Gaza will be regretting that decision now:


US President Donald Trump has said he wants Egypt and Jordan to take in Palestinians from Gaza.
Trump said he had made the request to Jordan's King Abdullah and planned to ask Egypt's president on Sunday, too.
Describing Gaza as a "demolition site", Trump said: "You're talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing". He added that the move "could be temporary" or "could be long-term".
The comments will likely outrage Palestinians in Gaza, for whom it is their home. Both Hamas and the Palestinian Authority condemned the proposal. Jordan's foreign minister said the kingdom was "firm and unwavering" in its rejection of displacing Palestinians.
A ceasefire is being observed in Gaza after a deal between Israel and Hamas to halt the war which began when Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October 2023. About 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken back to Gaza as hostages.
More than 47,200 Palestinians, the majority civilians, have been killed in Israel's offensive, Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry says.
Most of Gaza's two million residents have been displaced in the past 15 months of the war, which has flattened much of Gaza's infrastructure.
The United Nations has previously estimated that 60% of structures across Gaza have been damaged or destroyed, and it could take decades to rebuild.

Of course anyone who had been paying attention to the whole matter and to how Trump acted in his first time, thinking especially of is US Embassy relocation to Jerusalem, will have seen this coming.
 

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I wonder if those who voted for Trump (or stayed at home) because of Biden's actions towards Gaza will be regretting that decision now:




Of course anyone who had been paying attention to the whole matter and to how Trump acted in his first time, thinking especially of is US Embassy relocation to Jerusalem, will have seen this coming.

I read ’just clean out’ and thought ‘ethnic cleansing‘ already. The idea that it could be temporary is ridiculous: you create a vacuum into which Israel will move and I can’t see them leaving. I am afraid that this may well be the spark that reignites the whole shambles again.

That’s plenty done in his first week.
 

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I read ’just clean out’ and thought ‘ethnic cleansing‘ already. The idea that it could be temporary is ridiculous: you create a vacuum into which Israel will move and I can’t see them leaving. I am afraid that this may well be the spark that reignites the whole shambles again.

That’s plenty done in his first week.

It really is like a child is in charge - everything is so simplistic
 

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Nope. He said there was two genders, the polite word for sex in the US.
Gender and sex are not the same thing. I don't think there's any point in discussing this any further if that is what you believe, as we would just be talking past each other.
 

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.Gender and sex are not the same thing. I don't think there's any point in discussing this any further if that is what you believe, as we would just be talking past each other.
Lies needed correcting, which you were telling.
I'm happy to leave it now it's been corrected.
 

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Nope. He said there was two genders, the polite word for sex in the US.
What's the third sex?
Trump signed an executive order which effectively bans the federal government’s recognition of gender transition.

Lies needed correcting, which you were telling.
I'm happy to leave it now it's been corrected.
There really is no good reason why someone who has, for example, transitioned from male to female, cannot have an F marker on their passport.

I think if you knew any trans people well you would not think that people’s transition was a lie and you would probably think that they deserve the same dignity in having the state recognise their existence as anyone else.
 

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Things are escalating now that Trump are imposing tariffs and placing sanctions on the Colombian government following the latter's decision to turn down returning migrants on planes.
US President Donald Trump has said he will impose 25% tariffs and sanctions on Colombia after its president barred two US military planes carrying deported migrants from landing in the country.
Trump said the emergency tariffs "on all goods" coming into the US from Colombia would be put in place "immediately", and in one week the 25% tariffs would be raised to 50%.
Colombian President Gustavo Petro earlier on Sunday said he had denied entry on Colombian soil of US military planes carrying deported migrants.
Petro said he would "receive our fellow citizens on civilian planes, without treating them like criminals" and said migrants must be returned "with dignity and respect".
US officials told the BBC's US partner, CBS News, that two military planes from San Diego were due to land in Colombia on Sunday with migrant deportees, but those plans were scrapped due to complications.
In response, Trump announced "urgent and decisive retaliatory measures" in a post on TruthSocial. He said the US will impose a travel ban and "immediate visa revocations" on Colombian government officials, as well as its allies and supporters.
Trump also said there would be visa sanctions on supporters of the Colombian government, and enhanced Customs and Border Protection inspections "of all Colombian nationals and cargo on national security grounds".
"These measures are just the beginning," Trump added, saying his administration would not allow the Colombian government "to violate its legal obligations with regard to the acceptance and return of the criminals they forced into the United States".

The US imports about 20% of its coffee - worth nearly $2bn - from Colombia, as well as other goods like bananas, crude oil, avocados and flowers.
Tariffs will make importing it more expensive which - if passed onto the consumer - could mean coffee prices rising.
The sanctions on the Colombian government and its supporters, and the breakdown in diplomatic relations that it signals, are very significant.
Trump's own pick for deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau has argued that "working with other countries to stop such migratory flows" must be a "global imperative of US foreign policy."
Tens of thousands of migrants every year from around the world, from India to China, head north towards the US after landing in South America and travelling up through Colombia, usually facilitated by criminal gangs.
This move will no doubt make it harder for Trump's administration to work with Colombia to stop this.
Also on Sunday, Petro said more than 15,666 Americans were in Colombia illegally - a figure the BBC has not been able to independently verify.
Petro said that unlike the Trump administration, he would "never" be seen carrying out a raid to return illegal US migrants.

Trump's press secretary Karoline Leavitt posted this picture on X on 24 January announcing that deportation flights had begun
The feud between the two nations comes as Trump's administration has vowed to carry out "mass deportations". The president signed multiple executive orders related to immigration on his first day in office.
Some of Trump's executive orders were signed with the aim of expanding Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) ability to arrest and detain unlawful migrants on US soil.
White House spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said that 538 arrests were conducted on Thursday alone.
For comparison, ICE detained more than 149,700 people in the 2024 fiscal year under the Biden administration, which equals an average of 409 a day.
Trump declared a national emergency at the Mexico border, ordered officials to deny the right to citizenship to the children of migrants in the US illegally or on temporary visas and re-implemented his "Remain in Mexico" policy from his first term.
On Saturday, US Vice President JD Vance told CBS's Face the Nation that he supports "doing law enforcement against violent criminals".
"Just because we were founded by immigrants doesn't mean that 240 years later that we have to have the dumbest immigration policy in the world," he told CBS's Margaret Brennan.
Tom Homan, Trump's "border tsar" told ABC News on Sunday that the military is currently at the US-Mexico border helping with departure flights on military planes and building infrastructure to secure the border.
"It's sending a strong signal to the world: Our border is closed," he said.
Trump campaigned on securing the southern border and reducing the number of undocumented immigrants who enter the US.
As reiterated on Trump's "Truth Social" profile:

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There really is no good reason why someone who has, for example, transitioned from male to female, cannot have an F marker on their passport.

I think if you knew any trans people well you would not think that people’s transition was a lie and you would probably think that they deserve the same dignity in having the state recognise their existence as anyone else.
Easy to say that when you're male, not losing sex based rights, or places in a sports team.
 

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Easy to say that when you're male, not losing sex based rights, or places in a sports team.
It’s much easier to be transphobic when you don’t know any trans people well or have them as friends. I can guarantee that if you did, you wouldn’t suggest that people’s gender transition was a lie.
 

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It’s much easier to be transphobic when you don’t know any trans people well or have them as friends. I can guarantee that if you did, you wouldn’t suggest that people’s gender transition was a lie.
So you're happy to be a misogynist and let women lose places to men? Now we know where you stand.

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Sex isn't quite as binary as you may believe.
What's the third one?
 

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So you're happy to be a misogynist and let women lose places to men? Now we know where you stand.
Trans women aren’t men and people who defend the rights of people to transition their gender and have that recognised aren’t misogynists. Indeed, some trans people are trans men.

Some time ago I would have agreed with your position. It can be alluring to think you are somehow defending the rights of women, despite this being misguided.

However, having got to know some trans people well and have them in my friend group, I no longer think like that. One day you might also meet some trans people you respect as your friends and it will change your opinion. No, actually, the trans women I know are women, and not men.
 

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It’s much easier to be transphobic when you don’t know any trans people well or have them as friends. I can guarantee that if you did, you wouldn’t suggest that people’s gender transition was a lie.
You're correct that it's easier to be transphobic when nobody close to you is trans.

As I said above, there's probably no point in having a discussion when the parties concerned don't agree on the basic facts.
So you're happy to be a misogynist and let women lose places to men?
Completely ignoring that trans men also exist.
 

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Trans women aren’t men and people who defend the rights of people to transition their gender and have that recognised aren’t misogynists. Indeed, some trans people are trans men.

Some time ago I would have agreed with your position. It can be alluring to think you are somehow defending the rights of women, despite this being misguided.

However, having got to know some trans people well and have them in my friend group, I no longer think like that. One day you might also meet some trans people you respect as your friends and it will change your opinion. No, actually, the trans women I know are women, and not men.

No human has ever changed sex. It's really that simple.
Putting the likes of Isla Bryson in the women's estate is degrading to women.
You can certainly have sympathy, friendships or whatever, but there's no getting over the fact the the pre-requisite to be a transwoman is to be male.
As I said above, there's probably no point in having a discussion when the parties concerned don't agree on the basic facts.
If you believe there's more than two sexes, and they're changeable, then I agree.

Completely ignoring that trans men also exist.
What males have lost places in sports to transmen?
 

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No human has ever changed sex. It's really that simple.
Thankfully, no trans person I know believes their *biological sex* is any different; only their gender.

A trans woman friend I know is accepted in her own home as a woman, at work as a woman, in her friend group as a woman, lives as a woman and is perfectly happy with it. She isn’t a man.

There’s nothing remotely to be gained from this discussion any further though; you’ll change your opinion if and when you discover some trans people you respect. And if you believe deep down it wouldn’t be possible for you to accept a trans person as a friend, then I am sorry for you. I can guarantee you I find that life is more pleasant and worthwhile being trans-positive than it is to be injecting transphobia into discussions.
 

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So you're happy to be a misogynist and let women lose places to men? Now we know where you stand.

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What's the third one?
Apart from people with other than the XX or XY chromosomal arrangements there are people with differing developmental and hormonal levels. It is becoming very apparent to scientists who work in this field that talking about sex being binary is fallacious.
 

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Apart from people with other than the XX or XY chromosomal arrangements there are people with differing developmental and hormonal levels. It is becoming very apparent to scientists who work in this field that talking about sex being binary is fallacious.
DSDs. They still are either male or female.
Thankfully, no trans person I know believes their *biological sex* is any different; only their gender.

A trans woman friend I know is accepted in her own home as a woman, at work as a woman, in her friend group as a woman, lives as a woman and is perfectly happy with it. She isn’t a man.

There’s nothing remotely to be gained from this discussion any further though; you’ll change your opinion if and when you discover some trans people you respect. And if you believe deep down it wouldn’t be possible for you to accept a trans person as a friend, then I am sorry for you. I can guarantee you I find that life is more pleasant and worthwhile being trans-positive than it is to be injecting transphobia into discussions.
I've highlighted an important part here. There's plenty cases that think otherwise.

It's also not transphobic. It's sex realist thanks very much.

If the Dems, who I'd much prefer to win, ever look at what the voters want, they could start right at this topic. They've still not got it, so they've a long road ahead.
 

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Things are escalating now that Trump are imposing tariffs and placing sanctions on the Colombian government following the latter's decision to turn down returning migrants on planes.

As reiterated on Trump's "Truth Social" profile:
I think of one export from Columbia to the US that won't be seeing any tariffs ;)
 

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