class 320 refurb

[me123]

I think someone's going to be very happy at this news

 

[The_Stig]

There will be an influx of "When will it be used on Glasgow LL service" questions from somebody now :P

 

[rail-britain]

There will be an influx of "When will it be used on Glasgow LL service" questions from somebody now

Turns on jest mode :
Yes, me, me, me, go on tells me, when, when, when
It is a unit that must be used on the Argyle Line
Will it arrive at Yoker through the Low Level?
Turns off jest mode

 

[cj_1985]

honest to god... i dont care when it, or any other class 320 works on the argyle line..

when ScotRail have enough units in suitable condition to transfer.. they will do...
when ScotRail have enough class 380s in traffic to allow other units to be displaced... they will..

until then its just status quo... trains run to the timetable... and i dont care what class of unit i travel on, so long as the services run...

i'll admit to looking forward to seeing what standard/level of interior work has been done... but i wont go out of my way to travel on it,

 

[me123]

According to people on Scot-rail, the interior refurb is not complete. Parts are in the new colour scheme, parts retain the old one. Sounds like a pretty poor attempt IMHO.

(I know this is going to start more arguments off...)

 

[cj_1985]

According to people on Scot-rail, the interior refurb is not complete. Parts are in the new colour scheme, parts retain the old one. Sounds like a pretty poor attempt IMHO.

(I know this is going to start more arguments off...)

i had thought the same thing...
however i stand by my earlier statement that the unit will be complete when ScotRail, the ROSCO and in this case WABTEC confirm that it has been comleted to an acceptible standard, and has been accepted back into the operating fleet... and then do their press release thing...

it will be completed when its ready... if that means that for a period units run wit mismatching seat coverings... so be it... i know i would rather have a seat on a train , than the unit OOS or the service being shortformed just because the seat fabric doesnt match...

frankly... after giving it some thought... im not that surprised that the unit hadnt been fully completed.... my money would be on the units getting the heavy attention ie. wiring, overhaul and toilet fitment at doncaster with the remainder of the interior work done at kilmarnock at a later date

 

[rail-britain]

then do their press release thing

A press release is very unlikely, as this is an internal fleet improvement
Similar to when the Class 314 units replaced the Class 303 units on the Cathcart routes
The only press release due is the completion of the Class 380 project (due by 24 June)

 

[First ScotRail]

I wonder why ScotRail released one for the new 314 refresh then...

 

[The_Stig]

No more work is planned for the unit, infact I had heard that if there was a bad reaction to the mix of internal livery (with the fold up seating) it would be reverse liveried into the green with red stripes!

 

[rail-britain]

I wonder why ScotRail released one for the new 314 refresh then...

Refer to the text included, £800,000 spent by the franchise holder

However, the work on the Class 320 units is being paid for by someone else

 

[alexf380]

For those of you who are interested, there is a 380 working the North Berwick line today (11-Jun-11)

 

[SC318250]

To update, with thanks to Class47man, it will be towards the end of next week before 320314 will be out to play

 

[Blindtraveler]

For those of you who are interested, there is a 380 working the North Berwick line today (11-Jun-11)

thanks! Think I may go see if anyone fan2ies a bash.

 

[318259]

I know a lot of people don't like the 320s, but I do. I think they have character. Hot air vents next to the doors? Genius. I even like the weird 'muuuuh' noise the middle carriage makes.

What I really want to know is this: have they kept the paintings of Glasgow (People's Palace, Kelvinhall Art Gallery etc.) on the carriage ends, or are they a victim of the refurbishment? I guess time will tell.

 

[rail-britain]

Genius. I even like the weird 'muuuuh' noise the middle carriage makes.

What I really want to know is this: have they kept the paintings of Glasgow (People's Palace, Kelvinhall Art Gallery etc.) on the carriage ends, or are they a victim of the refurbishment? I guess time will tell.

The Class 318 units make the same traction motor cooling noise

Yes, the murals have been retained

 

[The_Stig]

What I really want to know is this: have they kept the paintings of Glasgow (People's Palace, Kelvinhall Art Gallery etc.) on the carriage ends, or are they a victim of the refurbishment? I guess time will tell.

There is only one mural affected and it has been retained (although not the original).

I know a lot of people don't like the 320s, but I do. I think they have character. Hot air vents next to the doors? Genius. I even like the weird 'muuuuh' noise the middle carriage makes.

The Class 318 units make the same traction motor cooling noise

It's not not traction motor cooling, it is the battery charger and various control electronics.

 

[Bittern]

Maybe ScotRail should fit them with giant DCC chips.

 

[SC318250]

Hi railmaster. 320314 was expected back into service last week, however been unable to check up as to why it hasnt entered service yet. Dont think this one is now going to Kilmarnock, but will wait to find out.

There should be a move this weekend, with the Class 322 I believe 2 from Kilmarnock and 1 or 2 going to Kilmarnock

 

[Skimble19]

So, are there any photos of the work yet?

 

[SC318250]

a friend took photos for Scotrail 2 weeks ago. They havent been publisied yet, but then again there are sufficient Class 320 available for service at the moment.

There are 2 normally available for maint, and 4 spare at Yoker, added to the Class 318, which have 2 maint, and 4 spare, although 6 Class 318 are covering for Class 380 at the moments. Think there are also 2 spare Class 334 + the maint onces, so pleanty spare not to rush it back

 

[The_Stig]

320314 has been at Shields for staff training on the new toilet. No point sending it out if nobody has a clue how to rectify simple faults whilst it's out on service.

 

[SC318250]

320314 has been at Shields for staff training on the new toilet.

Was gonna say that is a $hit excuse, but yes true what you say, no point sending it out if people are gonna get trapped in it .. lol

 

[Bittern]

Was gonna say that is a $hit excuse,

Well, they are testing the toilet, after all.

 

[rail-britain]

320314 has been at Shields for staff training on the new toilet. No point sending it out if nobody has a clue how to rectify simple faults whilst it's out on service.

I was advised it was due to a new Risk Assessment having to be carried out, due to a major change in the rolling stock facilities
There are some staff training issues, not just with the toilet, but some other minor changes that have taken place

The unit will then have to spend a small amount of time at Yoker and Corkerhill for depot staff there to be trained and made aware of where the retention tank controls are
Therefore I would expect it to visit Corkerhill next, then the following day make its way to Yoker, and enter service from there

Equally, I wasn't aware toilet faults were rectified whilst in service
Normally the unit has the toilet locked out of use and is attended to at the end of duty

 

[The_Stig]

I was advised it was due to a new Risk Assessment having to be carried out, due to a major change in the rolling stock facilities
There are some staff training issues, not just with the toilet, but some other minor changes that have taken place

I would imagine the risk assessments are for staff and passengers otherwise it would not have been allowed to travel up on its own power. As for the other changes, nothing much is different apart from locations of pre existing equipment, floor lighting and door controls.

I would imagine that some time will be used for integrating the new unit into the maintenance procedures also.

The unit will then have to spend a small amount of time at Yoker and Corkerhill for depot staff there to be trained and made aware of where the retention tank controls are
Therefore I would expect it to visit Corkerhill next, then the following day make its way to Yoker, and enter service from there

Staff from Yoker and Corkerhill usually get trained at the same time, at Shields.

Equally, I wasn't aware toilet faults were rectified whilst in service
Normally the unit has the toilet locked out of use and is attended to at the end of duty

Some [simple] faults are sorted with reports sent to Shields/Yoker for investigation if required.

 

[rail-britain]

There was a report in early May from Transport Scotland that there was previously an issue with Class 320 clearance at Dalmarnock, which Network Rail were still working on and due for report within 6 weeks (end of June)
I have not yet seen any confirmation this has been resolved, but I would imagine it has by now
I've also read about other issues in the Hamilton area, but nothing reported from either ScotRail or Network Rail about this

 

[The_Stig]

There was a report in early May from Transport Scotland that there was previously an issue with Class 320 clearance at Dalmarnock, which Network Rail were still working on and due for report within 6 weeks (end of June)
I have not yet seen any confirmation this has been resolved, but I would imagine it has by now

320's pass Dalmarnock all the time so I am not sure what the issue is.

I've also read about other issues in the Hamilton area, but nothing reported from either ScotRail or Network Rail about this

Again, I am not sure what the issue is.

 

[rail-britain]

320's pass Dalmarnock all the time so I am not sure what the issue is

In passenger use?
I suspect the monitors and/or CCTV cameras have been located in the wrong locations and/or there are visibility issues

My first suspicion with Hamilton was the different pantograph, a more recent version of the Brecknell-Willis, but on closer inspection I see it is the similar to a Class 334 (permitted for speeds up to 100mph)

 

[SC318250]

No move as far as I am aware from Kilmarnock, so no other unit gone.

322482/483 will either be stored at Corkerhill or Pomadie on return from Kilmarnock, pending return from Kilmarnock, which is still expected within the next week.

Looks like 2 x 322 will now remain in service for at least the first week in July as 380114/116 have still no made an appearance yet from Germnay

 

[rail-britain]

Looks like 2 x 322 will now remain in service for at least the first week in July as 380114/116 have still no made an appearance yet from Germnay

The current number of units meets the planned PVR, once they are all accepted, assuming the other 6 are accepted next week, this then gives 1 additional spare unit and 380114/116 then increases this to 3 additional spare