Football

[Cross City]

The English Premier League was set up to make money for its members

The Football League was set up to make money for its members in 1888.

Money dominating football has been a thing since it's inception and will continue to be a thing until the last ever match is played.

 

[Falcon1200]

Manchester United have announced to make an additional 200 jobs redundant on top of 250 made redundant last year to ‘return the club to profitability’.

The same BBC article linked in Post #35068 also says;

The club's annual donation to the Manchester United Disabled Supporters Association (MUDSA) will remain at £40,000

What's that, one or two weeks wages to a player? The club's generosity knows no bounds.....

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

What's that, one or two weeks wages to a player? The club's generosity knows no bounds.....

It is the current "generosity" in its varied aspects that being totally world-wide overstaffed that is now being put to rights by a new management with commercial knowledge.

 

[SuspectUsual]

It is the current "generosity" in its varied aspects that being totally world-wide overstaffed that is now being put to rights by a new management with commercial knowledge.

Anything they save will just end up going on over-inflated transfer fees, players' wages and agents' fees

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Anything they save will just end up going on over-inflated transfer fees, players' wages and agents' fees

What you mention will be at the top of the "to do" list by the new management by putting an end to such a ridiculous state of affairs that the Glazer family allowed to happen. Agents fees in particular will be looked at in terms of the poor quality of players that agents fees have brought to the club in recent years.

 

[SuspectUsual]

What you mention will be at the top of the "to do" list by the new management by putting an end to such a ridiculous state of affairs that the Glazer family allowed to happen. Agents fees in particular will be looked at in terms of the poor quality of players that agents fees have brought to the club in recent years.

How is them signing players who turn out to be poor the fault of the agents? On that one, they need to look at themselves and their player recruitment people. If they find a way to recruit better players, they will still have agents, and the agents will still demand daft fees

 

[dangie]

Agents fees in particular will be looked at in terms of the poor quality of players that agents fees have brought to the club in recent years.

Long gone are the days of Bob Bishop, the Manchester United scout who telegrammed Matt Busby with the words ‘I think I’ve found you a genius [George Best]’.

I wonder how much he received for that one? Probably enough for a couple of pints of Guinness

 

[DarloRich]

Manchester United - sacking cleaners and cooks while spaffing money on crocks! How much are they paying Rashford to play for someone else?

How much did the spaff on getting that bloke from Newcastle as director of buying useless players before sacking him after about 5 minutes? Always the little people who suffer when football clubs implode.

( and I understand that as a lower/mid table premier league club they don't need the staff of a top level club but they also need to look at where they are wasting money on rubbish players and managers. How soon until they sack another one? )

 

[SuspectUsual]

Manchester United - sacking cleaners and cooks while spaffing money on crocks! How much are they paying Rashford to play for someone else?

How much did the spaff on getting that bloke from Newcastle as director of buying useless players before sacking him after about 5 minutes? Always the little people who suffer when football clubs implode.

( and I understand that as a lower/mid table premier league club they don't need the staff of a top level club but they also need to look at where they are wasting money on rubbish players and managers. How soon until they sack another one? )

At least there aren't any goldfish losing their jobs. But then again, Publicity Pete Ridsdale isn't in charge

 

[Haywain]

Manchester United - sacking cleaners and cooks while spaffing money on crocks! How much are they paying Rashford to play for someone else?

It's not just signing players though. Last summer they sent three executives on three private jets to go and tell Eric Ten Haag he was not being sacked, and then sacked him with all the expense that involves. It's like they have no idea about how they could save real money. Something about 'penny wise, pound foolish' springs to mind.

 

[Cross City]

What's that, one or two weeks days wages to a player? The club's generosity knows no bounds.....

Fixed that for you.

 

[DarloRich]

It's not just signing players though. Last summer they sent three executives on three private jets to go and tell Eric Ten Haag he was not being sacked, and then sacked him with all the expense that involves. It's like they have no idea about how they could save real money. Something about 'penny wise, pound foolish' springs to mind.

did they? WOW - utter clown towners !

 

[SuspectUsual]

It's just men in sharp suits playing Billy Big B*llocks (or as Dennis Wise * once called it, Charlie Big Potatoes) with other people's money. Football is sadly far from the only industry with its fair share of posturing look-at-me types. The kind of people who like a post on LinkedIn detailing their day (normally starts at 3am obviously) and illustrated with a photo of them sat at the wheel of their car, generally featuring a (hired) Lamborghini and a (fake) Rolex.




* to the best of my knowledge, the only footballer with a golf shot named after him. Bloke chips the ball onto the green and leaves himself a Dennis Wise for par. A nasty little five footer

 

[Mcr Warrior]

1140 according to the article. That sounds a lot. Although it's not clear how much they rely on contractors or agency staff for matchday.

Quick look at Manchester United's accounts for the year to 30 June 2024 indicates that 136 (of the 1140) were various men's and women's team players, 191 were coaching staff, 170 were commercial staff, 111 were media and 530 were admin & 'other'.

Don't think the above figure included the (temporary) match day staff either, such as catering, security, ticketing, hospitality and marketing. Another 2,875 of them, on average, it seems.

P.S. The 250 staff laid off in July 2024 reportedly cost the club ~£8mln in redundancy payments. Not sure what the ongoing savings are.

Source... (= 1.5 MB file size)
https://ir.manutd.com/~/media/Files/M/Manutd-IR/documents/manchester-united-form-20f.pdf

 

[Ghostbus]

The sheer cognitive dissonance between how little the Manchester clubs are in any kind of real sporting jeopardy as a result of epically bad ownership or management, yet Newcastle fans somehow have to be fine with getting relegated when they've got equally poor owners/managers, is bizarre.

It needs an answer. I think that's a restructuring into a 16 team Premier League A (a first division) and an 18 team Premier League B (the second division), with a Premier League Cup running before March and a fully restored to glory FA Cup.

The ceiling at Newcastle is so clearly just fatigue, soft tissue injuries, occasionally not getting up for it when it's not a Big Game, and having to accept a 5% drop in performance when a key player is injured because a like for like sub is impossible. Not that 18 year old academy star Lewis playing ahead of Tonali for tactical reasons was a 5% drop. But Arsenal reject Willock covering for injury hit Joelinton definitely is.

So if the whole of football is too frightened of what could happen if the richest club in the world was allowed to spend its money like City did, then why not level the playing field and see if their best 11 and a few impact subs can beat the competition in a fast paced league where every match is prime time and a manger stands or falls on his skills not his excuses? Where a commercial arm is only a tool for, not a hindrance to, a manager.

 

[dangie]

Don't think the above figure included the (temporary) match day staff either, such as catering, security, ticketing, hospitality and marketing. Another 2,875 of them, on average, it seems.

I’d guess that as most of those would work for a contract company(s) they wouldn’t be on MU’s payroll so wouldn’t actually add to their list of employees. They of course still have to be paid for, just in a different column on the account sheet.

 

[JD2168]

Valerian Ismael has been announced as the new manager of Blackburn Rovers.

The easiest way Manchester United could save money is by getting rid of some of the dreadful players the club currently has like Casemiro, Christian Eriksen, Rasmus Holjund & Andre Onana

 

[JamesT]

The easiest way Manchester United could save money is by getting rid of some of the dreadful players the club currently has like Casemiro, Christian Eriksen, Rasmus Holjund & Andre Onana

Who would buy them?

 

[JD2168]

Who would buy them?

Saudi Arabia possibly along with the MLS in America

 

[SuspectUsual]

Saudi Arabia possibly along with the MLS in America

The problem with MLS is they operate a salary cap, and washed up has beens and never weres on daft salaries would need to take big pay cuts, and realistically the ones with contracts beyond the end of this season won't do that

 

[dangie]

Stoke City 1-3 Middlesbrough

Middlesbrough had lost their last five games. Never mind, go to Stoke. They’ll help you out.
Can’t be long now before Stoke employ their 16th manager in 10 years

 

[PauloDavesi]

BirminghamCity win again, 2-0 v Orient, to extend their led at the top of League 1 to 9 points, plus a game in hand ove5r the second placed club.

The attendance was over 26,000, not bad for a cold damp night and the fifth home game in the month. the very significantly increased revenues from ticket sales, hospitality, merch sales and additional high value sponsorships have significantly improved the clubs cashflow and allows for the increased football budget.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It is all well and good noting how strong one team is in their current division, but promotion to a higher level of teams usually brings an unhappy reality.

 

[DarloRich]

Scunthorpe 2 v Darlo 0

Least said the better. Tuesday night away at full time clubs is always an ask.

Stoke City 1-3 Middlesbrough

Middlesbrough had lost their last five games. Never mind, go to Stoke. They’ll help you out.
Can’t be long now before Stoke employ their 16th manager in 10 years

Boro have been abject recently. Couldn't defend a castle. Stoke must be bad!

 

[dangie]

Scunthorpe 2 v Darlo 0

Boro have been abject recently. Couldn't defend a castle. Stoke must be bad!

If only Stoke were just bad. I think they are much worse than that

 

[side effect]

It is all well and good noting how strong one team is in their current division, but promotion to a higher level of teams usually brings an unhappy reality.

As said before the only sector that do not benefit from promotion are the fans.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

As said before the only sector that do not benefit from promotion are the fans.

Not so, as many a successful team who had a very good results level in their division gain promotion, but find life at the higher level reveals any team shortcomings with an immediate relegation back to their former league.

Sometimes one relegation affects the team, with the result that another relegation to an even lower league level may well follow.

 

[SuspectUsual]

Not so, as many a successful team who had a very good results level in their division gain promotion, but find life at the higher level reveals any team shortcomings with an immediate relegation back to their former league.

Sometimes one relegation affects the team, with the result that another relegation to an even lower league level may well follow.

True, but the players that stayed after the promotion will generally have had decent pay rises so they'll have done OK out of it

I always wonder when I watch players celebrating promotion on the pitch at the end of the season how many of them are about to have an unpleasant conversation with the manager where they're told "thanks for getting us promoted, but I don't think you're good enough for the next level"

 

[side effect]

Not so, as many a successful team who had a very good results level in their division gain promotion, but find life at the higher level reveals any team shortcomings with an immediate relegation back to their former league.

Sometimes one relegation affects the team, with the result that another relegation to an even lower league level may well follow.

I should have elaborated.

Ipswich had successive promotions and Luton came from the non league but I should have added to my post.

The only other reward the fans will get is an increase in their season ticket prices. There's no reward for the long suffering fan who for their loyal support should get a reduction in the season ticket.

Greed is everywhere.

 

[SuspectUsual]

The only other reward the fans will get is an increase in their season ticket prices

The also have the dubious "reward" of (generally - there are obviously exceptions) watching their team scrabbling round for enough points to stay up rather than winning a lot of games. Applies particularly for teams promoted from the championship, obviously.