It’s pretty easy to get parish/town tax raising through the process.
Frankfurt airport handles about 5 times as many passengers as Birmingham airport so you’re not exactly comparing apples with apples even allowing for the NEC as a further draw. In addition the capacity freed on the classic network will mean more local and regional services from the classic BHX station so it’s hardly worse is it?
Traffic calming doesn’t cost hundreds of thousands.
If you want people who live 30-40 minutes away by classic train then an hourly classic train followed by an hourly high speed service doesn’t really cut it. Especially when the existing service takes 2.5 hours to Manchester for example and you can drive quicker than that.
Who is paying? Why would a council accept that?
So you are expecting a levy on people when an influx of new traffic is coming in pretty much against their wishes, that is going to go down well.
So you are saying no one is going to drive there in the peaks to get a train for commuting, and its a flat level of traffic all day?
Waste of time building a station then, the catchment area is tiny if its just "locals"
Depends on the size of the scheme.
Thanks FM, will have a gander.
So Milton Keynes etc would lose their AWC services?
OK so depending on how much traffic calming Haddenham has maybe it would be hundreds of thousands for all of it.
I think the people from Oxford, MK, Bicester and Aylesbury will mostly come by train. It’s the people from the countryside (and all the smaller places together add up) who will drive.
I think for the longer distance service there won’t be much of a peak, yes. I believe that is typical. For the peak for London it will be earlier/later than the peak for other jobs and for people driving it will be the surrounding villages.
The people who live in Calvert now will see their house prices increase by hundreds of thousands if a station is built. I think they will be more than happy to pay for a bit of traffic calming.
Or reduced if they got subsumed by a new town. It is fairly obvious that building a station in the middle of nowhere is pretext to the building of a major settlement, just like bypasses become a new boundary for development.
It is unlikely that enough houses would be built at such a good location for prices for existing (and higher quality) homes to drop.
Ok so I took a look at Heronby (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heronby) and the objections are in part due to damage to an ancient woodland and to the lack of transport links.
Birmingham Moor Street will connect much better when HS2 opens, as Curzon Street is next door to it. Connecting Chiltern-Moor Street-Curzon Street-Glasgow/Edinburgh/Manchester will be very sensible in the future.
You're assuming current stopping patterns will have to be replicated, but that isn't at all true. When the constraints on the system change, and that will happen when HS2 opens, the optimal service pattern changes.
That is fair.
I am surprised. Especially as you would drive straight onto the M6.
You're assuming the councils in question would be less obstructionist if their area got a station, however:
Last thing I read they weren't going to bother with laying track on the northern side of the triangle, so there won't be any northbound service from Curzon Street.
How do you think the optimal service pattern will change? Will that mean that some places will have, for instance, a slower but more frequent service?
I think that's the idea. London to Birmingham quickly will be via HS2 and I'd expect all the classic line services to call all Intl, Cov, Rugby and MK, for example.
I mean actually if you do a north Bucks station that isn’t terrible at serving the parts of Northamptonshire the line runs through and Birmingham interchange serves Warwickshire decently.
Your most challenging opponents are those who know about trains both in Britain and in other countries. Those people would 100% have changed sides with a station in their local area as they would personally benefit. They would also do a decent job of bringing other people in the community along as being able to get to Windermere in 2h40 from Aylesbury/Oxford/MK or Glasgow in 4h is pretty good and much quicker than driving.
Exactly
There needs to be some service for Lancaster, Oxenholme, Penrith, Lockabie?
What you have said is correct with a handful of exceptions.
Eighteen of the twenty-one daily services from Lockerbie to Carlisle are provided by Scotland to Manchester Airport services; given the lack of mention, I'd assume no change (although I think those services either need to go to 2tph or 9-10 carriages).
Sorry, I should have specified: if there is space for a Carlisle splitting from the Liverpool, those would be served by that service. If there is not, add them in split across the 2tph to Edinburgh/Glasgow.
Thank you!
My very optimistic calculation on ridership is 10 million passengers in total, of which half come by public or active travel.
The stone parkway station is presumably going to be located where the Stafford-Stone railway crosses the M6 and HS2 which are very close together at that point.
Sure. But it has to happen. And currently East West Rail to Aylesbury is cancelled.
