OneTrackMinded
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When you say diagrams I assume you just mean those services?
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Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates
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GW43125
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Yes, that's the "diagram 15" which was alluded to on the rollout press release posted a few pages ago. Stables at Wimbledon park between peaks.
Also includes 2C16, 07.09 ex Reading which has long been a priority for 10car alongside 2C55.
In an ideal world that diagram would've been up and running in time for royal ascot (I'm 99% sure it was down to change in early June originally), but such is the railway!
Goldfish62
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I dare say the extra driver requirement for Ascot had an impact on training.
norbitonflyer
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Presumably also 2C66, as it has to get back from Reading to Waterloo after forming 2C55 if it is to form 2C69.
2C69 currently forms 2C80 back to Waterloo as well.
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Yes, in the now-defunct November plan it would have been.
NSEWonderer
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Hasn't affected training, if anything theres quite a lot of courses going on.
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Sorry I've not really kept up with the thread but there isn't a committed set schedule at the moment for their introduction, more a case of when new ones are ready. As things currently stand 13 are currently authorised for passenger service following 025's introduction. There are only 14 diagrams in the July LTP which is four weeks away so they really need to get one authorised every two weeks until then to have enough for planned service.
Snow1964
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The Rock Rail South Western accounts stated 59 of 60 10car and 28 of 30 5car were accepted and being paid for on 31 Dec (nearly 6 months ago), so presumably have reached acceptance standard.
Not totally clear to me, what additional work they need, to be able to run in service, over the already accepted by Operator status. Maybe someone has a list of what is needed, and could advise how long it takes to clear them for service.
norbitonflyer
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Curiously now shown at platform 24 at Waterloo about to form 2J49 - 1706 to Hampton Court.
The platform is unusal, to say the least, for a train coming in from Epsom and going out to Hampton Court so I suspect some other unit is there, and RTT hasn't been updated regarding the allocated stock.
OTT, on the other hand, shows 2J49 to be at platform 2
Snow1964
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Alstom have just been awarded a contract for upto 6 months, valued at £4m to provide technical support and spares for 701s.
Seems to be an interim pending a full award, although why they didn't leave enough time to arrange full award prior to the required start date isn't clear.
Seems to be an interim pending a full award, although why they didn't leave enough time to arrange full award prior to the required start date isn't clear.
Passenger fainted from the heat on 2H14 this morning.
The AC is still woeful compared to the 707s SWR used to run and the 345s on the Elizabeth Line.
I find it hard to find the earlier justifications of "if it's too cold it presents a risk to passenger health" logical as other operators seem to be able to run it colder, and the current temperature may also present a risk to passenger health.
The AC is still woeful compared to the 707s SWR used to run and the 345s on the Elizabeth Line.
I find it hard to find the earlier justifications of "if it's too cold it presents a risk to passenger health" logical as other operators seem to be able to run it colder, and the current temperature may also present a risk to passenger health.
Someone fainting is rarely, if ever a passenger health risk and almost certainly won’t be fixed with air con. We wouldn’t apply the same standard to platforms.
Depends how hard they bang their head on the way down.
I find it quite hard to understand how when something is demonstrably worse than other new trains people will still defend it to the hilt.
To your comparator: arguably all platforms should - at a minimum - have shaded waiting areas in this heat. Water fountains wouldn't go amiss either. Historic conventions and approaches aren't all that useful with the increasingly hot summers that we're having.
Why wouldn’t it be fixed with air con, it’s already been discussed several times the AC on the 701s is pretty weak and needs to be increased and set to a cooler temperature to match the rest of the fleet?
Snow1964
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If I remember correctly, on trains where people are expected to stand rather than sit, the ideal temperature should be slightly lower. (The theory is heat rises, so having head in warmer area is more likely to be uncomfortable)
Is the air con actually weak, or has some skinflint somewhere deemed that it should be set to a low power mode, or less cool temperature.
Re. the above & air con on the 701s: observations on 2D90 this morning (06:18 from Epsom) were 1) air con was definitely underwhelming (but just about OK) and 2) as noted before, guard's PA announcements were v 'tinny' and garbled! - does sound like a v cheap system! (unit 035)
OneTrackMinded
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I’ve heard that there was some issue with the doors not closing properly due to a pressure difference, and they decided an appropriate fix was to reduce the power of the AC (or rather a cheap, quick fix).
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Invincible
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The "plug" doors should fit well even with air con going? Perhaps a fix is in progress?.
Are the
www.southwesternrailway.com
Ape2o water dispenser machines still at Vauxhall, Richmond, Wimbledon, Hampton Court, Twickenham etc stations?
Isn't the advice for passengers to travel with a bottle of water when hot.
Are the
SWR expands partnership with water company ape2o helping to stop single use plastic bottles
www.southwesternrailway.com
Yes but as mentioned in the link they are charged to use, which most people will object to paying for tap water.
Peter Mugridge
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Is Waterloo one of the terminus stations on which Network Rail has fitted free water dispensers?
Goldfish62
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That sounds extremely bizarre!
Off topic but yes they are; there's also free ones at Waterloo, Clapham Junction and Reading, as well as some free fountains provided by Thames Water outside a few stations (e.g. Wandsworth Town, Raynes Park)Are the
Ape2o water dispenser machines still at Vauxhall, Richmond, Wimbledon, Hampton Court, Twickenham etc stations?SWR expands partnership with water company ape2o helping to stop single use plastic bottles
In general I'd love to see the free chillers that were installed by Network Rail at their stations rolled out more broadly.
Is there a way to find out what temperature the 701 AC is set to? Maybe one could compare this to other units that are lower.
As for the guard's mic - I don't know what the variable is, but I've heard it sound amazing (notably on the first GBR branded run back in May - I'll link the video). Maybe it's just whether the guard knows the best way to use it?
As for the guard's mic - I don't know what the variable is, but I've heard it sound amazing (notably on the first GBR branded run back in May - I'll link the video). Maybe it's just whether the guard knows the best way to use it?
Kind of, but it's only at stations, it isn't in place yet and it's a fix from Greater Anglia.
NSEWonderer
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The mic has a certain position it needs to be held in, at least according to what I've heard from Guards. Problem is that getting that postion correct all the time isn't realistic nor should it be that way, desiro mics for example work well no matter the way you hold it(within reason).
Also depends of the Guards are doing a PA from the rear cab of which the phone is much much better than the GOP Mics for most Guards.
OneTrackMinded
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Oh ok, interesting. I wonder why SWR has chosen to set it to such a high setting for no apparent reason then.
PG
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Could one of our forumites do an empirical check of the saloon temperature with a thermometer, perhaps?
