Pendolino 390055 may be imminent

[IanPooleTrains]

Well without trying to be rude, look at the VT network map (see, I've even provided a link), and then look at the stations which aren't on your 'list'. Then you may find that there are a lot, which aren't capable of holding 11 coaches, and therefore are being extended

I think you can put Rugby, Stafford, Warrington Bank Quay and maybe even Glasgow Central at the top of that list of stations that cannot take the 11 car pendo

 

[sprinterguy]

Reading the thread, I am intrigued.
Some threads state that there is certain infrastructure upgrades as needed to cope with 11 car sets.
Considering that most stations where the pendos stop were built by LNWR and hence upgraded by LMS to cope with 14 carriage trains, where is the upgrade required? I only ask, as stations like Stockport. Manchester Picc, Preston, Carlisle already have platforms that can take trains of such length.
So are there stations that cannot cope?
This is an honest question, and I would love to know.

Bear in mind also that the carriages of the LMS, and even more so in the case of the LNWR and the other pre-grouping companies that went before, were quite a bit shorter than the current Pendolino carriages, although of course the LMS did settle on the sixty-odd foot length by the thirties, and had those 70' twelve wheel dining cars.
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I think you can put Rugby, Stafford, Warrington Bank Quay and maybe even Glasgow Central at the top of that list of stations that cannot take the 11 car pendo

Wolverhampton, too: You can see the extension work taking place at the north end of the island platform. I should definitely think that there's quite a few platforms in need of extending.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Wolverhampton, too: You can see the extension work taking place at the north end of the island platform. I should definitely think that there's quite a few platforms in need of extending.

I was at Wolvo a couple of weeks ago and it didn't look like work had started on anything, is this only a recent thing?

Also, some of the platforms at Birmingham New Street cannot accomodate the eleven car. I know platform 5 can only just hold the nine car given some clearance for the driver to see the signal so work is going to have to be done there as well

 

[Blindtraveler]

think GLC is ok but if not the current platform refurbishment will make it so

 

[sprinterguy]

I was at Wolvo a couple of weeks ago and it didn't look like work had started on anything, is this only a recent thing?

I thought I'd spied ground clearance work followed by bits of platform structure going up over the course of the last couple of months. I could be mistaken, but that's what it looked like at a glance.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

think GLC is ok but if not the current platform refurbishment will make it so

The current platform that VT use for the Pendos is P1 and that just about holds nine and might stretch to ten but they would be struggling with 11

 

[duffman82]

I was at Wolvo a couple of weeks ago and it didn't look like work had started on anything, is this only a recent thing?

Also, some of the platforms at Birmingham New Street cannot accomodate the eleven car. I know platform 5 can only just hold the nine car given some clearance for the driver to see the signal so work is going to have to be done there as well

The extension is now completed on Platform 2.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

The extension is now completed on Platform 2.

That's Wolves yeah?

 

[Minilad]

I was at Wolvo a couple of weeks ago and it didn't look like work had started on anything, is this only a recent thing?

Also, some of the platforms at Birmingham New Street cannot accomodate the eleven car. I know platform 5 can only just hold the nine car given some clearance for the driver to see the signal so work is going to have to be done there as well

Or they could just ban 390s from platform 5. Probably easier !
In fact ban them from platforms 1-4 and 6-12 as well

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Or they could just ban 390s from platform 5. Probably easier !
In fact ban them from platforms 1-4 and 6-12 as well

Ah yes but then, I forsee a little bit of a problem there

 

[Minilad]

Ah yes but then, I forsee a little bit of a problem there

I don't !

 

[IanPooleTrains]

I don't !

I do! Where the hell are they gonna stop in Birmingham New Street?

 

[duffman82]

That's Wolves yeah?

Yes at wolves.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Yes at wolves.

Forsee a trip back there in the future

Out of interest, when can we expect xxxx56 and xxxx57?

 

[Minilad]

I do! Where the hell are they gonna stop in Birmingham New Street?

I am sure you know hat I would say in answer to that

 

[IanPooleTrains]

I am sure you know hat I would say in answer to that

Does it start with a don't, have a give a in the middle and end with profanity?

You typical Cross Country driver you(!)

 

[Minilad]

Does it start with a don't, have a give a in the middle and end with profanity?

You typical Cross Country driver you(!)

It starts with "I" and ends in "think 390s are the work of the devil"

And I am not really sure about what a typical XC driver is

 

[IanPooleTrains]

It starts with "I" and ends in "think 390s are the work of the devil"

390s > anything XC has

That simple

 

[Minilad]

390s > anything XC has

That simple

HSTs. I don't think so. And I doubt you would find many who would agree with you on that one either TBH

 

[sprinterguy]

390s > anything XC has

That simple

B*gg*r that! Crosscountry has got HSTs, and I like 170s.

 

[YorkshireBear]

390s > anything XC has

That simple

Going with sprinter guy on this one HSTs and 170s i much prefer to the 390s sorry its not that simple


390>voyager... yes

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

According to the West Coast RUS, platform lengthening for 11-car Pendolinos is required at:

Euston, Watford Jn, Northampton, Rugby,
Wolverhampton, Lichfield TV, Stoke, Macclesfield,
Wilmslow, Warrington BQ, Lancaster, Carlisle

SDO will be used at other stations which cannot be extended.

 

[sprinterguy]

Carlisle is in line for platform lengthening? hock: I'm stunned about that. Always thought that there was ample space for an extra forty six metres worth of Pendolino.

Any idea as to how they're going to do it? I can't think of a simple way of lengthening any of the platforms at Carlisle.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

I'm stunned that they have to lengthen Euston's platforms, some of the platforms that have the Pendos on, you can fit them on and then stick another Pendo in front of it so that shocks me

Surprised Tamworth or Nuneaton, where VT stop irregularly, are not on the list but Lichfield TV is

And why lengthen Northampton? VT don't stop there

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I think you can put Rugby, Stafford, Warrington Bank Quay and maybe even Glasgow Central at the top of that list of stations that cannot take the 11 car pendo

Rugby and Stafford can take them with ease!

WBQ is currently being extended.
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I'm stunned that they have to lengthen Euston's platforms, some of the platforms that have the Pendos on, you can fit them on and then stick another Pendo in front of it so that shocks me

Surprised Tamworth or Nuneaton, where VT stop irregularly, are not on the list but Lichfield TV is

And why lengthen Northampton? VT don't stop there

Tamworth and Nuneaton can take them as 11-car just.

2 southbound VT services call at NMP.

 

[HSTEd]

Wait... if these platforms are all too short for 11 carriage Pendos.... what did the APT do when it was in service, thats 14 vehicles and I thought they were atleast 20m each.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

2 southbound VT services call at NMP.

Which ones are they?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

0720 ex-Rugby and the last WVH-EUS I think

 

[Dreadnought]

I think you can put Rugby, Stafford, Warrington Bank Quay and maybe even Glasgow Central at the top of that list of stations that cannot take the 11 car pendo

Further to MattE2010s post, excluding the bay platform (P3) it would only be P6 at Rugby that cannot fit an 11 coach pendolino (they can just about squeeze a 9 car pendolino in!).

 

[MCR247]

0720 ex-Rugby and the last WVH-EUS I think

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