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According to the B.T. Police website their first armed officers will be on duty early in 2012 probably in London.
 
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It'll be like that scene from Bladerunner when Deckard shoots the snake lady as she runs, except the BTP victim would be crashing through vestibule doors before sprawling in the aisle
 
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Bungle73 said:
Airports are a major terrorist target. Railway stations not so much.
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Airports are as tightly controlled as you can get. Railways are soft targets with high volumes of people concentrated at easily identifiable times.
 
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Yew - So because some stations are unstaffed there should not be any armed BTP officers? I dont follow that logic. Can you expand and explain?

Bungle - you dont think railway stations are a terrorist target? EDIT - we can all think of crowded places where lots of people would be a VERY easy target. It does not bear thinking about.

Mind if Mr Terrorist is using this forum as an intelligence tool - British Steel Redcar station is PACKED all the time. Go there and get the biggest bang for your buck
 
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But armed police would not have stopped Madrid bombings nor the July 7 bombings in London. How would armed police stop a suicide bomber at Euston station in the peak?
 
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Just a word of advice before everybody puts their tuppence-worth into this thread.


Don't post anything that might give any assistance to any nasty people out there. You never know who might be reading this.
 
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Flamingo said:
Just a word of advice before everybody puts their tuppence-worth into this thread.


Don't post anything that might give any assistance to any nasty people out there. You never know who might be reading this.
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Like what?

Putting a few armed coppers on stations will not stop someone with a bomb strapped to themselves wanting to blow themselves up will it?
 
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route:oxford said:
Reading station has been bombed twice hasn't it?
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What I meant was railway stations don't face the same level of threat as airports.
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Tell the good folks of Madrid that!
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Airports are as tightly controlled as you can get. Railways are soft targets with high volumes of people concentrated at easily identifiable times.
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And how would armed police have stopped that? Unless you have one in every single train carriage. And that's one time. How many attacks on airports and aeroplanes have there been compared to that? Why do you think you get practically strip searched every time you get on a plane these days?

Are you saying we should have airport style security at railway stations too?

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Yew - So because some stations are unstaffed there should not be any armed BTP officers? I dont follow that logic. Can you expand and explain?

Bungle - you dont think railway stations are a terrorist target? Imagine Mr Suicide bomber in the concourse at Euston at 5 pm on a Friday.
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I don't think I said that, did I?
 
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DarloRich said:
well it might if they get shot! :D
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But not if the terrorist pulls the trigger first. They are hardly likely to stand there and say "look at me I've got a bomb" before blowing themselves and anyone nearby to bits.
 
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Bungle73 said:
What I meant was railway stations don't face the same level of threat as airports.



And how would armed police have stopped that? Unless you have one in every single train carriage. And that's one time. How many attacks on airports and aeroplanes have there been compared to that? Why do you think you get practically strip searched every time you get on a plane these days?

Are you saying we should have airport style security at railway stations too?

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I don't think I said that, did I?
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Apologies - you said as much a target as airports.

I think they are just as, if not more, of a target.

The armed BTP must be some sort of reasurance for the passenger. People now expect to see armed police at major transport locations. Most people dont think Police/Tranport Police. They just think POLICE
 
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Let's say a suicide bomber is en route to their target, just as the 7/7 bombers were from Luton.
And let's imagine he's is only 99% careful and someone happens to glance across and notices a stick of dynamite in their rucksack.
And nips out to the vestibule to call BTP. They can meet the train, with armed officers, and *hopefully* take the bomber out before he can cause any major damage.
That has surely got to be quicker than having to liaise with the Met, SO15 etc. etc.

Having recently seen armed Met officers intercept passengers who were seen with handguns on a train, I have no problem with armed officers on the railways.
 
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Is the objection to armed Police Officers per se or simply to armed BT Police Officers?

I am sure the BTP officers will have to go through exactly the same training and be subject to the same command and control as a county/metropolitan constabulary armed officer.
 
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EM2 said:
Let's say a suicide bomber is en route to their target, just as the 7/7 bombers were from Luton.
And let's imagine he's is only 99% careful and someone happens to glance across and notices a stick of dynamite in their rucksack.
And nips out to the vestibule to call BTP. They can meet the train, with armed officers, and *hopefully* take the bomber out before he can cause any major damage.
That has surely got to be quicker than having to liaise with the Met, SO15 etc. etc.

Having recently seen armed Met officers intercept passengers who were seen with handguns on a train, I have no problem with armed officers on the railways.
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I'm pretty sure the armed police wouldn't "take out" a suspect based purely on a phone call from some random.

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So a threat is worse than an actual recorded event?
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So you want airport security at stations then?
 
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I was saying that ALL airports have high security meeasures, but it wouldnt be practical for all stations. And then, where do you draw the line? London Terminals? All staffed stations? Only mainlines?

I would say Armed Response teams could be useful, but having them scowling at eveeryone on their way into stations with an MP5 in hand I wouldnt like, its bad enough at airports with the whol 'terrorist until proven innocent' culture we essensially have
 
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