• Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Bletchley Derailment

Status
Not open for further replies.

Whistler40145

Established Member
Joined
30 Apr 2010
Messages
5,929
Location
Lancashire
When do we expect the findings from RAIB as to the main reason of the derailment?

If the points were the cause, weren't they replaced in the WCML upgrade?

If not, have Freightliner supplied a locomotive with suspect wheelsets?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

ushawk

Established Member
Joined
5 Nov 2010
Messages
1,965
Location
Eastbourne
Just says on NRE that EC are accepting tickets "on all reasonable routes" so i would have thought so
 

bengley

Established Member
Joined
18 May 2008
Messages
1,845
Should be OK, just put a 1mph TSR in and there'll be no problem :D
 

madannie77

Member
Joined
12 May 2009
Messages
404
Location
The Station Garden of Eden
When do we expect the findings from RAIB as to the main reason of the derailment?

If the points were the cause, weren't they replaced in the WCML upgrade?

If not, have Freightliner supplied a locomotive with suspect wheelsets?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No need for the RAIB, as the Evening Standard already knows the answer! Not sure I believe anything in the article, however. How much does a Class 90 weigh?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ight-train-derails-on-west-coast-main-line.do

Interesting that a "newspaper" can know the outcome of an investigation almost before the investigation has begun.
 

87015

Established Member
Joined
3 Mar 2006
Messages
4,910
Location
GEML/WCML/SR
Interesting that a "newspaper" can know the outcome of an investigation almost before the investigation has begun.
The intial investigation will be well underway if not been done, the log has been seen by many I am sure. Its hardly a scenario that sounds unthinkable either.
 

Nym

Established Member
Joined
2 Mar 2007
Messages
9,185
Location
Somewhere, not in London
Class 90 Weighs 84.5 Tonnes dry... Wet with crew it will proberbly be up to about 85.5 - 86 tonnes depending on what they had for breakfast...
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
The intial investigation will be well underway if not been done, the log has been seen by many I am sure. Its hardly a scenario that sounds unthinkable either.

They won't have even looked at the OTMR yet I suspect...

"Inital investigation" consists of photographing and documenting things before the're moved to re-open the line, and interviewing those who it is possible to, nothing much more than that.
 

madannie77

Member
Joined
12 May 2009
Messages
404
Location
The Station Garden of Eden
The intial investigation will be well underway if not been done, the log has been seen by many I am sure. Its hardly a scenario that sounds unthinkable either.

Indeed, but the point I was making is whether I can believe the Evening Standard's comment, given the standard of the rest of the article (and many other stories reported in that newspaper)
 

Essexman

Established Member
Joined
15 Mar 2011
Messages
1,380
Scotrail website showing Highland & Glasgow sleepers cancelled tonight.
I would have thought there'd been anough time to get the sleepers back to London by another route during today then travel up by East Coast tonight if necessary.
 

madannie77

Member
Joined
12 May 2009
Messages
404
Location
The Station Garden of Eden
Class 90 Weighs 84.5 Tonnes dry... Wet with crew it will proberbly be up to about 85.5 - 86 tonnes depending on what they had for breakfast...

That can't be right - the Evening Standard says it weighs 129 tonnes ;).

Exactly the point I was making about the accuracy of the article.
 

glenbogle

Member
Joined
11 Aug 2011
Messages
223
Scotrail website showing Highland & Glasgow sleepers cancelled tonight.
I would have thought there'd been anough time to get the sleepers back to London by another route during today then travel up by East Coast tonight if necessary.

Sleeper crews have only just arrived into London from the replacement coaches, they are over 5 hours late and they need their rest period, this might have a lot to do with it.

Crews getting EC trains back home.
 

Mr Spock

Member
Joined
14 Jan 2008
Messages
608
Perhaps the Evening Standard hacked into the phones of the engineers and investigators to get their info.
 

Darandio

Established Member
Joined
24 Feb 2007
Messages
10,686
Location
Redcar
No need for the RAIB, as the Evening Standard already knows the answer! Not sure I believe anything in the article, however. How much does a Class 90 weigh?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ight-train-derails-on-west-coast-main-line.do

Interesting that a "newspaper" can know the outcome of an investigation almost before the investigation has begun.

It's a terrible article, luckily the comment brigade haven't swirled around it with nonsense yet. There are people starting to reply though.
 

the sniper

Established Member
Joined
4 Sep 2007
Messages
3,499
When do we expect the findings from RAIB as to the main reason of the derailment?

If the points were the cause, weren't they replaced in the WCML upgrade?

If not, have Freightliner supplied a locomotive with suspect wheelsets?

Did aliens come down and knock it off the tracks...? Surely you've over looked the most likely cause? :p

No need for the RAIB, as the Evening Standard already knows the answer! Not sure I believe anything in the article, however. How much does a Class 90 weigh?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ight-train-derails-on-west-coast-main-line.do

Interesting that a "newspaper" can know the outcome of an investigation almost before the investigation has begun.

I very much dislike most non-specialist journalists, but I don't find it hard to believe that they could have found out the likely preliminary cause. The driver could have told whoever got there first (probably NR MOM) what had happened, everyone working on the scene will have subsequently have been told that/heard that and the station staff would have probably have been told too. All it takes is for one of those many people to say 15 or so words to someone posing as either a passenger or a journalist and the paper have got their story.

As someone else said, it may also have been put down on an NR log, in which case many more people would have access to that information. If it's anything like where I work though, for an incident like this, access to the log might be restricted to senior people and those who need to know. Still, a good number of people could know what has gone on, probably even people on this very site (I don't though :P ).

EDIT: Just gotta say, I hope the paper is wrong though, as I feel tremendously bad for the driver if they're right.
 
Last edited:

infobleep

Veteran Member
Joined
27 Feb 2011
Messages
12,726
I know compared to a driver being injured, this is a minor point but surely if Virgin trains are very kindly running shuttle trains to Tring every half hour, they could allow them to stop at Harrow and Wealstone. The question is whether the platforms are long enough. I thought they were but correct me if I am wrong.

Tonight I will either be going on Southern train or via Harrow on the Hill I imagine, as the Euston service is slower compared to the other two services.
 

Aictos

Established Member
Joined
28 Apr 2009
Messages
10,403
Yes, 036 was caped on 1M11 at Crewe

Technically it was pined as it was terminated short of it's destination.

Pined Terminated short of destination, from telegraph code word PINE

Caped cancelled, from the telegraph code word CAPE
 
Joined
2 Jun 2009
Messages
1,135
Location
North London
Today, Chiltern Railways will have a chance to show their (frankly quite good) service between London Marylebone and Birmingham. I wonder how many passengers make a permanent switch to Chiltern Railways. Especially when their fellow passenger paid half the fare for the same journey.

Virgin Trains Passenger "I've had to take Chiltern Railways today. I paid £900 for my ticket to Birmingham. What a waste !"
Chiltern Trains Passenger (across the aisle on the packed Clubman) "Oh, I always use Chiltern Trains and paid £9.50 for my ticket".

Both passenger share rail fare war stories as their train arrives in Moor Street on time and 25 minutes longer than the Virgin Trains usual journey time.
 

Darandio

Established Member
Joined
24 Feb 2007
Messages
10,686
Location
Redcar
Guess I spoke to soon about comments on that article, look at good old "Brian O'Sullivan-Butler" from Sligo.

I am a car driver but am able to obey traffic lights, signals and speed limits even though I am not a professional driver.

This driver seems to do the opposite of that, crashes the train and the whole economy is impeded for a day.

Lost hours, goods not moving, train refunds.

Lets be thankful he drives freight trains and not paying passengers!

What an absolute idiot.
 

Minilad

Established Member
Joined
26 Feb 2011
Messages
4,343
Location
Anywhere B link goes
Today, Chiltern Railways will have a chance to show their (frankly quite good) service between London Marylebone and Birmingham. I wonder how many passengers make a permanent switch to Chiltern Railways. Especially when their fellow passenger paid half the fare for the same journey.

Virgin Trains Passenger "I've had to take Chiltern Railways today. I paid £900 for my ticket to Birmingham. What a waste !"
Chiltern Trains Passenger (across the aisle on the packed Clubman) "Oh, I always use Chiltern Trains and paid £9.50 for my ticket".

Both passenger share rail fare war stories as their train arrives in Moor Street on time and 25 minutes longer than the Virgin Trains usual journey time.

The loco hauled trains in the morning do seem to be getting more and more punters on them. The 0714 off Warwick PW is regularly full from there. I think more and more people are realising they have a viable alternative in the peak now and for much less too
 

Blindtraveler

Established Member
Joined
28 Feb 2011
Messages
9,724
Location
Nowhere near enough to a Pacer :(
i dont know how staff must feel, but as an enthusiast thats the sorta comment to make me mad. Not advisable as my afternoon in London has been transformed into a rush for an EC seat, but do you see me making rood remarks lile that?
 

jon0844

Veteran Member
Joined
1 Feb 2009
Messages
28,101
Location
UK
What an absolute idiot.

While it doesn't stop him being an idiot, I do wonder how many people like to troll on news sites, just like forums. Come on and deliberately write something outrageous to spark a flame war.

I wouldn't even be surprised if some papers generate their own comments to spark an intense debate - given the obvious increase in page views as people re-visit a page, and send out the link to others etc.
 

Whistler40145

Established Member
Joined
30 Apr 2010
Messages
5,929
Location
Lancashire
What I was getting at is that defective points are not always the cause of a derailment, defective tyres could also be at fault.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Eagle

Established Member
Joined
20 Feb 2011
Messages
7,106
Location
Leamingrad / Blanfrancisco
Virgin Trains Passenger "I've had to take Chiltern Railways today. I paid £900 for my ticket to Birmingham. What a waste !"
Chiltern Trains Passenger (across the aisle on the packed Clubman) "Oh, I always use Chiltern Trains and paid £9.50 for my ticket".

OR

London Midland passenger: "I got my London to Birmingham ticket for a fiver! Although this Silver Train is much better than two and a half hours on a 350."
 
Last edited:

MKDriver

New Member
Joined
3 Feb 2012
Messages
2
The loco approached Bletchley from the north on the up slow and got the signal to cross to the up fast at the crossover at the south end of the platform. Unfortunately it then took the 15mph crossover at about 40-50 mph. It made it through the slow end of the cross over, but smashed the points on the fast end, derailed and ploughed through the ballast to end up on the other side of the flyover.

Driver was taken to hospital in an ambulance but I believe injuries are classified as 'not serious'.

Loco was going light from Crewe to Wembley to pick up the Friday Pretendelino diagram.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top