By the relevant organizations. For example if a car is insured with a parent as the main driver and observed to often be parked near a college or university then this could be further investigated.
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Driverless Cars - the future?
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The insurance companies and the police to name just two. However the police are busy.
It could be observed by various people. If the police don't have time for this then a separate agency could be contracted to investigate.
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And who will pay for all these new people to sit and watch cars they think might just possibly have fraudulent insurance?
The fines paid by people that are caught will help with that.
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Do you not think that if there was enough of a reason to do this, that they would already be doing it?
I remember reading not that long ago that many people didn't even know that fronting was illegal so that would suggest the issue until recently has not been that high profile. I believe the companies actually are starting to clamp down on it now though. It's not just the risk of a fine though that people should consider, is it really worth risking a criminal record? This can have quite serious consequences in some jobs.
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AlterEgo
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Please make it stop.
Zoe, you're making this up as you go along. You don't even drive, or have a licence, or appear to be aware of any of the significant flaws to your cobbled-together plan.
Zoe, you're making this up as you go along. You don't even drive, or have a licence, or appear to be aware of any of the significant flaws to your cobbled-together plan.
I have thought about the way driverless cars would quite a few times since I was first introduced to the possibilities back in 2009. The ideas I have talked about are not unique to myself.
As I said above, I have said nothing at all on this subject.
There are quite a few difficulties with the plan under the technology currently available but that doesn't make it impossible in the future.
AlterEgo
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You clearly don't drive as you lack any of the common sense and knowledge that a driver would have. None of your answers make a great deal of sense. There are plenty of posters, many of whom drive, who have pointed out obvious and fatal flaws to your plan to have on-demand driverless cars.
Yes, I'm sure there will be driverless cars in the future. But not as you suggest.
Yes, I'm sure there will be driverless cars in the future. But not as you suggest.
That's what you think, not what may or may not actually be the case. Just as something is near impossible currently, doesn't mean it always will be.
AlterEgo
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Great. Let's start a topic about personal jet packs then.
One day we might have driverless cars, but some sort of pool where a driverless car will be shipped to you on demand is ridiculous. And In all reality, I imagine any 'driverless' cars will be in the form of cars with substantial driver aids, maybe doing motorway driving and parking, but without the capacity to do city driving, reading roundabouts and junctions or country lanes.
It may well seem that way when people are used to having the convenience of a car sitting outside for immediate use but that doesn't mean the situation will never change.
People are underestimating just how powerful computers could be in the future. It may well be that they will be much better at doing things than humans are now.
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Minilad
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I got popcorn. I got a comfy seat. Please continue
http://www.wfs.org/content/driverless-cars-driving-force-coming-future-near-you
Here's an article on the subject from Senior Futurist at DaVinci Institute, Thomas Frey.
Here's an article on the subject from Senior Futurist at DaVinci Institute, Thomas Frey.
Nice reference to the controlled environment of the Heathrow Pods. Nice as they are (and they certainly look cool), I'd not want one of these turning up to take me on a long journey and amongst other traffic, including lorries and buses.
And wouldn't you need to belt up? Throw in that robotic arm to put in the child seat (I'd like to see how it would attach to a normal seat, as I've got an ISOFIX child seat and it needs a base for one thing!) and perhaps you can have the robotic arm putting on the belt too?
Even the site list some problems with the idea:
But at least people won't need to worry because they've now saved those sky high insurance bills for being idiotic enough to want their own car (and the assumption that nobody will ever bother to learn to drive anyway, as insurance premiums are so high).
Also is 'Senior Futurist' a real job? Maybe I'll ask him if he has a driving licence and how much his insurance costs.. and wonder if he'll refuse to answer for no logical reason?
And wouldn't you need to belt up? Throw in that robotic arm to put in the child seat (I'd like to see how it would attach to a normal seat, as I've got an ISOFIX child seat and it needs a base for one thing!) and perhaps you can have the robotic arm putting on the belt too?
Even the site list some problems with the idea:
But at least people won't need to worry because they've now saved those sky high insurance bills for being idiotic enough to want their own car (and the assumption that nobody will ever bother to learn to drive anyway, as insurance premiums are so high).
Also is 'Senior Futurist' a real job? Maybe I'll ask him if he has a driving licence and how much his insurance costs.. and wonder if he'll refuse to answer for no logical reason?
So would you avoid travelling in a Rover 100?
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What a person does personally has no relevance to the topic which is discussing the situation in general.
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It might add a little bit of credibility to ones opinions.
The article supports your opinion, but again it is based on little else and goes no way to answer the points brought up in this thread.
Driverless cars will come, that I am sure, but to do what you are suggesting is way way way off....if at all.
The problem with AI is that it can, almost by definition, never reach the sophistication necessary to be irrational. This means that, for instance, it will never be able to anticipate that the Volvo estate behind you is about to overtake at dangerous speed on a blind corner, which a human driver can guess because the driver of said Volvo is wearing a cap back to front, silver neck chains and an expression of frustrated hatred. And, if AI ever did reach that level of sophistication, it would also be able to mimic the Volvo driver in its irrationality, so the roads would be no safer.
The issue here is that the car is unsafe to travel in regardless of it you are driving it or not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUs-h23sp7M
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ralphchadkirk
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If I might ask a rather novel question Zoe, do you drive?
It's clear that some cars are very unsafe to travel in regardless of how good the driver is it's surprising they are still on the road. When driverless cars are introduced I would expect the will have the latest safety features which considering introduction could be about 8 - 10 years away will likely be more advanced than now.
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