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No, they clearly need to borrow some of TPE's "Smile, you're on CCTV" stickers to put on the doors.
(At least, when they get round to installing the CCTV.)
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No, they clearly need to borrow some of TPE's "Smile, you're on CCTV" stickers to put on the doors.
(At least, when they get round to installing the CCTV.)
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To be fair though, this is just a refresh programme. It's not a complete overhaul or life extension programme. Air con and power sockets are a hugely expensive and invasive job and would require the units out of service for far longer.
It's like re-decorating your lounge with a bit of paint, new carpet and new furniture compared to ripping the walls down and re-doing all the electrics etc.
317666
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Looks very smart. To be honest I'm glad to see the carpets replaced by lino, if it is cleaned regularly enough. However, going by how filthy the lino is on the 317s a lot of the time, I have my doubts as to whether that will be the case. The carpets on them currently are hideously worn, often with soggy bits of newspaper and god knows what else trodden into them. I'm also glad they've left the original, reasonably comfortable seats in, rather than replacing them with a newer, uncomfortable (in my opinion) design such as those on the 379s.
As for the lack of aircon, I find that the ball vents are a lot more effective at keeping me cool in the summer than most aircon on trains. It's nice to have a proper breeze, and the fact that they're adjustable is good too. What I really would like to see is the hopper windows locked, and only opened if the vents fail, as the units tend to be very loud inside when they're open. Although, I don't think this would go down so well with rush hour commuters as there's then no form of air cooling for standing passengers!
As for the lack of aircon, I find that the ball vents are a lot more effective at keeping me cool in the summer than most aircon on trains. It's nice to have a proper breeze, and the fact that they're adjustable is good too. What I really would like to see is the hopper windows locked, and only opened if the vents fail, as the units tend to be very loud inside when they're open. Although, I don't think this would go down so well with rush hour commuters as there's then no form of air cooling for standing passengers!
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Aictos
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It's weird going from having carpets everywhere to having vinyl for the vestibules/carpets everywhere else to having carpet for the vestibules/vinyl for everywhere else!!!
I'm surprised they didn't go with having vinyl to cover all of the floor including in First Class, however I believe CCTV/WiFi/Air Conditioning is going to be optional for whoever takes over from FCC to include in the refurbishment IF they have any plans to do so.
I'm surprised they didn't go with having vinyl to cover all of the floor including in First Class, however I believe CCTV/WiFi/Air Conditioning is going to be optional for whoever takes over from FCC to include in the refurbishment IF they have any plans to do so.
Video of the country end carriage and first class.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvAeL3p2gHY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvAeL3p2gHY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Yeah it has.
Clearly someone who has not suffered the experience of getting on one of these things on a hot afternoon, when the only way to get an even vaguely sensible temperature is to open every single window and get a good draught blowing through.
And the refurbished trains are just nasty with the lino floor. The old ones nay not have been great, but they didn't have the ambience of a bus, and the carpets deadened the noise a bit.
When one of the trains comes from sitting outside Hornsey depot all afternoon and comes into London to sit in more sun before going out, you really wouldn't want those windows sealed up. The hopper vents often don't work, so I can't even begin to imagine how uncomfortable it would be.
Even when they do work, they're only pushing out standard uncooled air - so you're still not going to be cooled down, and only benefit from the evaporative effect if you have the air directed straight onto your skin.
In other words, these trains NEED air con!
Even when they do work, they're only pushing out standard uncooled air - so you're still not going to be cooled down, and only benefit from the evaporative effect if you have the air directed straight onto your skin.
In other words, these trains NEED air con!
Class377/5
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I got to see the unit as I arrived into Kings Cross as it pulled out on it way to Cambridge as a stopper.
It looks good in person. The blue of the doors really stands out.
It looks good in person. The blue of the doors really stands out.
The livery itself isn't too bad however whoever applied the First Capital Connect stickers could do with getting their eyesight checked.. On the West side of the coach at the London end the logo isn't centred, it's a third down the carriage whilst on the rest of the unit they're all centred. Aside from that little nit pick the only other bad point is the front end, which has of course been designed to look as similar to the 700 as possible - unfortunately it really doesn't suit the 365's.
Having seen the unit various times now I'm still not sure about it.. the decision for carpets in the vestibules and very pale lino in the actual carriage still baffles me for starters. First Class is rather nice though.
Having seen the unit various times now I'm still not sure about it.. the decision for carpets in the vestibules and very pale lino in the actual carriage still baffles me for starters. First Class is rather nice though.
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I noticed that too, very odd! I do wonder whether it was done deliberately though for some odd reason.
I quite like the front, although the grotty old cab puts it on a downer as it tends to be scruffy. Will be good to see the other units and what they end up like.
317666
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Funnily enough, as someone who has lived in Cambridge for nearly eighteen years, I have travelled on 365s many times on hot summer days. I generally find the ball vents to be effective, although it probably varies from unit to unit how well they work. I agree with jonmorris0844 that overall, the best solution would probably be to fit air conditioning - but please, an air conditioning system that actually works properly!
On another note, is anyone aware of whether another unit has gone away for overhaul yet, and if so which one?
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They rely on forced air, so presumably there are fans - and that's why on some trains/carriages the vents don't work. And if they don't work, it can be very uncomfortable as a stationary train with an open window isn't much use.
I don't know how long trains stay at Cambridge, but at King's Cross it can be far worse because the trains might have come from Hornsey depot and have been sat in the sun all afternoon (with the windows closed if it's been anywhere near the train wash).
Even opening the windows at King's Cross doesn't do much, and it's only when the train has been on the move for a while (beyond Finsbury Park) that it becomes a bit more comfortable.
I wonder if FCC has ever considered applying solar reflecting film to the windows, although that might have the downside of messing up phone signals.
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Looks like some videos are floating around YouTube of a White FCC Class 365. It appears to have differing interior and slightly modified Front?
Is this ready for the New TOC to take in September?
Is this ready for the New TOC to take in September?
No its been refurbished
Class377/5
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They arent branded Thameslink. But FCC and are in the TSGN livery not Thameslink.
The 365's have never been branded as Thamselink.
They started out in NSE livery which they carried throughout their WAGN days. They received First Capital Connect vinyls when they took over the franchise.
They started out in NSE livery which they carried throughout their WAGN days. They received First Capital Connect vinyls when they took over the franchise.
BurtonM
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Smart livery, much better than FCC's. Isn't it rather similar to the soon to be outgoing Southeastern though?
Southeastern are changing their livery?
Soon?
It depends what fleet you mean, anyway. Nothing like the 395s. Not really like the vast majority of 375s, whose relivery seems to have been postponed or delayed. It is similar in principle to the 465s and 466s, with a very light body and blue doors. But then there are differences, in that the 465/466 is white with mauve-blue doors, whilst the 365 is light grey with blue doors.
Manchester77
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I don't think that that user has realised SouthEastern are due to have an extension until 2017 I think.
Class377/5
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Correct. The longest extension of all of them IIRC correctly
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