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marks87 said:
The Class 88 ETH index will be 100 (500kW), which is plenty for a full sleeper rake (assuming 2xBUO [=8], 2xRLO [=10], 6xSLEP [=42] and 6xSLE(D) [=36]).
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Is that based on the ratings of the new, or current, stock? I don't know whether it's specifically stated anywhere, but I think that it's generally assumed that the new stock will be more power hungry than the current mix of mark 2s and 3s.

Thanks for the info though.
 
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sprinterguy said:
Is that based on the ratings of the new, or current, stock?
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Ah...of course. That's the current stock, so just ignore me.

The ETH index of the 92s is 180 on AC (I thought it was 108, but that's on DC). So the 88s will come nowhere near what's needed.
 
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TimSYoung40145 said:
I'm not surprised that there's been problems with the 92s, especially the ETS equipment, considering they've spent the majority of their careers hauling freight trains without requiring the use of the ETS equipment.
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How long it wasn't used for shouldn't matter as I imagine the entire system would have been worked on/refurbished/tested during overhaul, when was the ETS last used on the 73/9-they probably have a new ETS system but a new system should be just as good as a refurbished system, I would imagine the ETS is the least of the problems with the 92s.
 
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TimSYoung40145 said:
I'm not surprised that there's been problems with the 92s, especially the ETS equipment, considering they've spent the majority of their careers hauling freight trains without requiring the use of the ETS equipment.
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A very odd post - particularly after what was stated in post #287. Facts or conjecture?
 
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Well, i don't know what any of the locos were/are able to output but all i can say is it wasn't particularly warm on there on Tuesday night. Fine once i was in bed but really quite cold overall.

Also, it has been some time since i was on a MK2 coach, the brakes were tremendously noisy. Really heavy grinding noise, couldn't hear yourself think. Are MK2 brakes that bad, or is it likely there is something wrong? Fine in the berth (though these are Mk3) and didn't go in the seated car as that was infront.


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robbeech said:
Well, i don't know what any of the locos were/are able to output but all i can say is it wasn't particularly warm on there on Tuesday night. Fine once i was in bed but really quite cold overall.

Also, it has been some time since i was on a MK2 coach, the brakes were tremendously noisy. Really heavy grinding noise, couldn't hear yourself think. Are MK2 brakes that bad, or is it likely there is something wrong? Fine in the berth (though these are Mk3) and didn't go in the seated car as that was infront.


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Tread brakes on the Mk2's? I don't know if any (apart from the push-pull Edinburgh - Glasgow stock) were fitted with discs.
 
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Just a 67 on Inverness southbound tonight. I saw it go through Aviemore last night with a 73 & 67.
More importantly - they've taken the lemon pudding off the lounge car menu.
 
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You're just hearing the brake blocks clasping on the tyres, and it is quite an intrusive metallic grinding I agree. I doubt there was a problem if you were able to proceed at normal speeds. But it's very old school considering silent disc brakes became commonplace on mk3 coaches in the mid to late 1970s!

Funnily enough one of my very regular user contacts complained in passing of an unheated compartment on an Inverness service this week. From what I'd heard the maintenance issues seemed to have been moved on pretty well otherwise.
 
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This photo appeared on the RailScot website this week (showing some problems with the livery/lettering). At least it shows that some attention is being paid to the appearance, even if it's half finished.
 
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PaxVobiscum said:
This photo appeared on the RailScot website this week (showing some problems with the livery/lettering). At least it shows that some attention is being paid to the appearance, even if it's half finished.
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A lot of the sleeper coach sides at the moment look like someone's sandpapered the surface ready for a repaint, and then wandered off to do something else.

I'm not sure if this is just wear and tear, or the start of a concerted refurb.

I like _ALE_ON_A_ SLEEPER though, perfect for the lounge car... :)
 
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Yes, I didn't think disc brakes had been fitted but couldn't rene we them being that loud. That must be horrendous for people sleeping in the seated car which is also a mk2.

And definitely no heating, I don't like it too warm as a rule and I likely should have mentioned it and certainly would had it been any colder. Obviously no idea if it was just my berth or the entire carriage.

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robbeech said:
And definitely no heating, I don't like it too warm as a rule and I likely should have mentioned it and certainly would had it been any colder. Obviously no idea if it was just my berth or the entire carriage.
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Are you saying the temperature control in the cabin ( by the head of the beds ) had no effect?
 
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Lee_Again said:
Sleepers back to normal next week according to sleeper.scot . Gutted as I'm on the Aberdeen next Friday 26th. Fancied a run up the East Coast. Never mind. Another time,
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I'm not the only one secretly hoping that Lamington wouldn't get fixed, then :D

Oban tomorrow night for me and a few others :)
 
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Peter Mugridge said:
Are you saying the temperature control in the cabin ( by the head of the beds ) had no effect?
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The (entirely separate) report I had was from a very regular user who knows exactly how to control cabin temp so it was definitely busted on his train.

I once had the opposite quite a few years ago which was no aircon in the summer, that was a shocker and for me far worse than being cold. In the end I resorted to opening all four droplights in the coach ends. This got some movement of air down the corridor and, propping the cabin door open every so often, I could at least breathe. Sleep was another matter. :(
 
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47271 said:
I once had the opposite quite a few years ago which was no aircon in the summer, that was a shocker and for me far worse than being cold....
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Had exactly that experience last July. Very uncomfortable night indeed.
 
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Heater didn't work in my berth last night.
I reported it to the steward in the morning and he said he'd had to move someone from another berth for the same reason.
 
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Makes you wonder if the Mk3 sleepers should have been built with some kind of "emergency" air conditioning - something like a grille in each cabin that can be opened if necessary. Even in the middle of summer the speed of the train will create a bit of circulation.

Not such a big deal on day trains where you can at least move to a different coach (mostly).
 
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marks87 said:
Let's hope you never find yourselves sharing a standard class berth :lol:
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Unlikely as I tend to fork out for sole occupancy - I like to get my head down as soon as boarding opens and don't want to be disturbed 2 hours later by someone who has been to the lounge car coming in and flooding the cabin with light from the corridor in the process!
 
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Not sure how well ours is working. Turned it down to min on going to the lounge car and it wasn't as cold as I thought when we returned. I prefer it cooler on a night though and I'm currently finding it fairly comfortable. I think we are somewhere round Edinburgh at present
 
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