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The reason for outsourcing the operations to GWR is probably for practical reasons: they already have the trains, they already have the depot (in Reading) and they already have competent drivers.

GWR will be a subcontractor to HEx for its operations, while HEx will remain responsible for marketing, branding and pricing. So it's likely that the trains which are earmarked to go onto HEx duties will be styled and branded as a HEx train. If the 387's would stay in "GWR green" and nothing would be done to them, the added value of HEx quickly disappears. Might as well jump on board a Crossrail train then...
 
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Sorry why is this happening exactly? And what will the fleet of 332s be doing?
 
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spark001uk said:
Ah that'll explain it then, I had no idea until just now! I wonder if some of the stock will make its way up to join its 333 family?
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The 332s will join that long list of discarded trains, a railway version of Battersea Dog's Home, with sad unwanted trains hoping for a new and loving owner!
 
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A thought here regarding the first batch of Class 387s (101-129):

As they are in some aspects controversial on the London Kings Cross routes and with Class 365s being withdrawn, could Govia Thameslink Railway hold on to some 365s and send a few of the first batch over to GWR, so as 130-141 can be gradually converted?
 
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adrock1976 said:
A thought here regarding the first batch of Class 387s (101-129):

As they are in some aspects controversial on the London Kings Cross routes and with Class 365s being withdrawn, could Govia Thameslink Railway hold on to some 365s and send a few of the first batch over to GWR, so as 130-141 can be gradually converted?
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No. GTR need the 387s as they have SDO, which the 365s do not.

Don't get the obsession with keeping 365s some times...
 
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No. GTR need the 387s as they have SDO, which the 365s do not.
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Plus the fact they need 110mph units to use the fast lines between king's cross and hitchin otherwise there is a reduction in paths on the fasts
 
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Agent_Squash said:
No. GTR need the 387s as they have SDO, which the 365s do not.

Don't get the obsession with keeping 365s some times...
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I am not obsessed with retaining Class 365s on GTR routes.

I was asking a reasonable question, and although I did not make it clear in my previous post, I was wondering if the withdrawal could have been slowed down a bit until the GWR 387s were converted. This was how I intended the previous post to have been interpreted.

Anyway, many thanks for clarifying the question I had posted.
 
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I didn't think the GN units actually got up to 110mph?
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They are timed to, otherwise there is a reduction in paths on the fasts. That is the prime reason that GTR took the 387's and dumped the 377/5's that they were originally going to keep
 
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adrock1976 said:
I am not obsessed with retaining Class 365s on GTR routes.

I was asking a reasonable question, and although I did not make it clear in my previous post, I was wondering if the withdrawal could have been slowed down a bit until the GWR 387s were converted. This was how I intended the previous post to have been interpreted.

Anyway, many thanks for clarifying the question I had posted.
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Not specific to you in the slightest - just seems to be a general obsession with keeping the 365s...
 
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adrock1976 said:
Back on to the main topic of this thread, is it the signalling system that makes the 332s incompatible running anywhere else?
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It is one of the major stumbling blocks, along with their interiors, their direct ownership by Heathrow Airport Holdings, age, etc
 
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adrock1976 said:
Back on to the main topic of this thread, is it the signalling system that makes the 332s incompatible running anywhere else?
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If I remember correctly, they certainly lack TPWS and I think also lack AWS - they're heavily reliant on GWR-ATP.
 
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LA50041 said:
They are timed to, otherwise there is a reduction in paths on the fasts. That is the prime reason that GTR took the 387's and dumped the 377/5's that they were originally going to keep
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That is incorrect. Timings are for 100mph and the 387s are not authorised above 100mph on the Great Northern.
 
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LA50041 said:
They are timed to, otherwise there is a reduction in paths on the fasts. That is the prime reason that GTR took the 387's and dumped the 377/5's that they were originally going to keep
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As above, 387s do not go over 100mph on GN. The fact they can do 110mph is (at the moment at least!) irrelevant.

The one benefit they do have over 365s is that they have SDO, although with the gangway doors between units locked out of use it's not gone down very well.
 
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Would be interesting to note if these midnight ECS moves will have to be rerouted post-May, with the big switch-on taking place.
 
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D365 said:
Would be interesting to note if these midnight ECS moves will have to be rerouted post-May, with the big switch-on taking place.
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ETCS is just an overlay on the Thameslink core. While only 700s will really be able to operate while it’s in full 24tph-mode during the daytime for capacity reasons; there is still full functionality for conventional trains to run where there is a suitable path - late at night this won’t be a problem.
 
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Ah, my confusion was whether the conventional signals are being retained or not.
 
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