Class 387

[Fincra5]

Ah, my confusion was whether the conventional signals are being retained or not.

Indeed they are.

 

[sc597]

Not specific to you in the slightest - just seems to be a general obsession with keeping the 365s...

Ha! I am obsessed with keeping the 365s!

Anyway, tonight once again my end of peak service using a 387 skipped my unmanned station because of the door cameras not working. Attempts to fix at KGX before departure were not successful. Is this a common issue as I've experienced it several times over the past six months or so?

 

[APUK002]

As above, 387s do not go over 100mph on GN. The fact they can do 110mph is (at the moment at least!) irrelevant.

The one benefit they do have over 365s is that they have SDO, although with the gangway doors between units locked out of use it's not gone down very well.

That subject again!, hit and miss,sometime gangway open other times not

 

[spark001uk]

Oh dear, 387146 on the dirt this morning then. Not good. From the pics I've seen it looks like it went through a set of trap points (on the up relief?), either near hanwell loop or the entrance to w.ealing sdgs? Anyone narrow that down a bit?

 

[Nippy]

Already being discussed elsewhere, but it passed the exit signal at the west end of West Ealing No1 Loop

 

[JN114]

5Z16 06+41 West Ealing LMD - Reading passed SN227 at the West end of West Ealing LMD at danger and derailed on the trap points.

Thread about it all here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/major-disruption-on-gwml-27-11.174152/#post-3752552

 

[spark001uk]

OK cheers for the info guys.

 

[spark001uk]

Ever so slightly OT, sorry, but just passed Reading TCD, and behind all the 387s, on the rearmost road, I swear I just saw what looks like an old thameslink 319?? Was definitely white with blue doors.

 

[samuelmorris]

Yup - https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-class-319-769-information-discussion.174866/#post-3777471

 

[Kite159]

Ever so slightly OT, sorry, but just passed Reading TCD, and behind all the 387s, on the rearmost road, I swear I just saw what looks like an old thameslink 319?? Was definitely white with blue doors.

More details here:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-class-319-769-information-discussion.174866/

 

[adrock1976]

A quick question:

Is there any news if C2C are going to have 387307 to 320 in the future, or has that plan been shelved/cancelled?

 

[superalbs]

A quick question:

Is there any news if C2C are going to have 387307 to 320 in the future, or has that plan been shelved/cancelled?

When was that the plan?

They have ordered new trains from Bombardier, of the Aventra line.

 

[sd0733]

A quick question:

Is there any news if C2C are going to have 387307 to 320 in the future, or has that plan been shelved/cancelled?

Bombardier held an event after 387174 was built as it was the last electrostar off the production line so no 387s will be built again

 

[samuelmorris]

A quick question:

Is there any news if C2C are going to have 387307 to 320 in the future, or has that plan been shelved/cancelled?

I believe the extra units went to GWR, they were never intended to go to C2C. The option was for 20 /3 units, but it was converted into extra /1s for GWR instead.
As stated, the next units on c2c will be 711s, due probably around 2021-2022.

 

[swt_passenger]

Do the 6 x 387 with c2c remain as an ongoing micro-fleet, or does the upcoming delivery include replacements?

IIRC the original announcements were that they would be only a 3 year stopgap, so I’m surprised no one has earmarked them for a new home yet...

 

[samuelmorris]

Do the 6 x 387 with c2c remain as an ongoing micro-fleet, or does the upcoming delivery include replacements?

IIRC the original announcements were that they would be only a 3 year stopgap, so I’m surprised no one has earmarked them for a new home yet...

The 387/3s will be withdrawn when the 711s arrive. As far as I know there's no earmarked home for them yet. They will presumably end up being merged with the GN or GX fleet.

 

[MatthewRead]

The 387/3s will be withdrawn when the 711s arrive. As far as I know there's no earmarked home for them yet. They will presumably end up being merged with the GN or GX fleet.

Use with GWR has been mooted as well.

 

[JN114]

The 387/3s will be withdrawn when the 711s arrive. As far as I know there's no earmarked home for them yet. They will presumably end up being merged with the GN or GX fleet.

Or GW to make up for the units lost to HEX...

 

[samuelmorris]

I was under the impression GWR didn't actually need as many units as originally provided due to Crossrail but yes that's also a possibility. Either way, I think the outcome of them going anywhere where there aren't already 387s is the least likely.

 

[Kite159]

Or GW to make up for the units lost to HEX...

Once Crossrail taken over the stopping services between Reading & Paddington, the number of GWR 387s required should decrease.

Although it does make sense for the 6x 387/3s to head to GWR or Gatwick Express (or even Great Northern)

 

[cactustwirly]

Once Crossrail taken over the stopping services between Reading & Paddington, the number of GWR 387s required should decrease.

Although it does make sense for the 6x 387/3s to head to GWR or Gatwick Express (or even Great Northern)

But Crossrail isn't scheduled to open until after 2020 now!

 

[Siemens Staines]

Even though Crossrail itself isn't opening, is there any particular reason why the current 4tph Paddington(high level) - Reading stopping service cannot be transferred to TFL in the same way that Paddington - Hayes & Harlington was? I appreciate that would mean splitting the Didcot service at Reading

 

[swt_passenger]

Even though Crossrail itself isn't opening, is there any particular reason why the current 4tph Paddington(high level) - Reading stopping service cannot be transferred to TFL in the same way that Paddington - Hayes & Harlington was? I appreciate that would mean splitting the Didcot service at Reading

TfL are looking into doing just that, it’s mentioned in their latest business plan and in our Crossrail thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...until-autumn-2019.169160/page-13#post-3775546

 

[43096]

Or GW to make up for the units lost to HEX...

HEX sets are not “lost” they are available because NR under-electrified/GWR over-ordered.

If electrification spreads to Oxford (as it really should) then an extra 6 387s would be ideal to resource it.

 

[cactustwirly]

HEX sets are not “lost” they are available because NR under-electrified/GWR over-ordered.

If electrification spreads to Oxford (as it really should) then an extra 6 387s would be ideal to resource it.

Except that all of the 387s are required until Crossrail opens in 2020...

 

[samuelmorris]

Except that all of the 387s are required until Crossrail opens in 2020...

The 387/3s won't be surplus from C2C until after that time though - 711s will be the last Aventras to arrive, the whole Anglia, South Western and West Midlands fleets have to come before them yet, never mind the Overground units that haven't entered service yet.

 

[spark001uk]

I'm curious - how much do the standard 387 seats cost compared to those in the Stansted 379s? Would it have been a lot of difference? Just wondered how much more it would've cost per unit to have been made with those. Assuming they're interchangeable.

 

[samuelmorris]

I'm curious - how much do the standard 387 seats cost compared to those in the Stansted 379s? Would it have been a lot of difference? Just wondered how much more it would've cost per unit to have been made with those. Assuming they're interchangeable.

Are they still regulations compliant?

 

[spark001uk]

Are they still regulations compliant?

I'm not sure. Are we talking fireproofing?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Isn't the issue that only that awful seat is approved for 125mph use in new stock? In 110mph or slower stock other options exist such as those chosen by Abellio.