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Has 455831 returned from Wolverton yet?
You're looking at a video for the 2012 refurbs .I watched this promo video recently, and they make the refurbishment sound terribly exciting .. Then I travel on 455824 this morning and all it is is a new button on the door. Disappointing .
The main discussion for the last two years seems to have been around people presuming they should be replaced now once Thameslink replaces many 377s by 700s. The reply from insiders has then usually been that there are no plans to send them off lease during the current franchise, just to diagram them less intensively.
Won't they be used on Sutton metro services too?Does anyone have any info as to which routes the 455s will be used on from May? RTT suggests the following routes (75 mph schedules):
London Bridge to Caterham via Tulse Hill,
London Bridge to Beckenham Junction,
London Bridge to Coulsdon Town via Sydenham,
Peak hour London Bridge to Wimbledon
This equates to 32 units, assuming all are pairs. Leasing 46 units for 32 diagrams is rather excessive. This website https://www.railplan2020.com/
shows the 0801 Victoria to Caterham as 455 as well. This makes sense as it ties in with the Caterham to London Bridge diagrams but I can't find an inward working to Victoria to form it.
I heard the same, however reliability work could be the reason why they're being sent to Wolverton since no PRM mods are being done there?I recall Southern saying somewhere that due to their age and condition they would not be intensely diagrammed anymore
Won't they be used on Sutton metro services too?
I recall Southern saying somewhere that due to their age and condition they would not be intensely diagrammed anymore
Funny really as 313s are going to be used more intensively in the new timetableI recall Southern saying somewhere that due to their age and condition they would not be intensely diagrammed anymore
Funny really as 313s are going to be used more intensively in the new timetable
Do you mean the Southern 313s? They're already quite intensive used. IIRC 16 diagrams for 19 units with most out all day. There's one to Ore weekday mornings at the moment. I assume that will cease in May.
Yes I expected their use to be reduced but I took that to mean fewer routes and/or less off peak work. I didn't expect almost a third of the fleet to be standing idle!
John
There’s still presumably some suitable part diagrams for 455s on stuff like those peak only WLL services that keep to the DC part of the route.
They won't be standing idle. More of them will be running around all day as 8-car fixed formations (much less attach/detach at terminals). Currently many 455s diagrams operate as 4-cars off peak.
I don't know about Southern's, but GN's 313s (which are in worse condition), will be used much more intensively, having to operate a 4tph frequency for I think the first time in their 40 year life.Do you mean the Southern 313s? They're already quite intensive used. IIRC 16 diagrams for 19 units with most out all day. There's one to Ore weekday mornings at the moment. I assume that will cease in May.
Do you mean the Southern 313s? They're already quite intensive used. IIRC 16 diagrams for 19 units with most out all day. There's one to Ore weekday mornings at the moment. I assume that will cease in May.
If that's the case, then surely platform extensions at Kenley, Whyteleafe and Whyteleafe South and stations along the Tattenham Corner line will have to take place, since there will still be 8 car 455's serving those lines, without SDO.I believe that most if not all will be 8 coach formations.
The rear unit of the Caterham 455s will be locked out at Purley/Caterham, the 455s heading down the Tattenham Line are only going as far as Coulsdon Town (in normal service) - not sure if they'll also be locked out on the way down or not as Reedham and Coulsdon Town platforms should be long enoughIf that's the case, then surely platform extensions at Kenley, Whyteleafe and Whyteleafe South and stations along the Tattenham Corner line will have to take place, since there will still be 8 car 455's serving those lines, without SDO.
But why continue to do that when you could just extend the platforms and allow the full length of the train to be used? As it is the morning trains are really busy. Caterham can fit 8 coaches too, and Whyteleafe can apparently take 7 coaches. There's plenty of room for Platform extensions too, the only people I can see opposing it is the local residents who live behind the railway especially between Kenley and Whyteleafe.The rear unit of the Caterham 455s will be locked out at Purley/Caterham, the 455s heading down the Tattenham Line are only going as far as Coulsdon Town (in normal service) - not sure if they'll also be locked out on the way down or not as Reedham and Coulsdon Town platforms should be long enough
SN and SWR 455 fleets are in different ownership. Is there any evidence SN really think theirs are less reliable, or is it an assumption being used to try and justify the future situation. It’s surely likely that lower utilisation might mean many of them only get used in the peaks, or weekdays only. But that doesn’t mean they actually have too many...If Southern really concerned about the reliability of the 455's, hence diagramming them less intensively then once the SWR fleet go off lease, then maybe they could retraction them using the Vossloh motors off the ex SWR 455's if they're not going to be used again?
But what I can't understand is that the 313's, which are around 10 years older, are being diagrammed more intensively??
But why continue to do that when you could just extend the platforms and allow the full length of the train to be used? As it is the morning trains are really busy. Caterham can fit 8 coaches too, and Whyteleafe can apparently take 7 coaches. There's plenty of room for Platform extensions too, the only people I can see opposing it is the local residents who live behind the railway especially between Kenley and Whyteleafe.
455804 is now fully modified.
But why continue to do that when you could just extend the platforms and allow the full length of the train to be used? As it is the morning trains are really busy. Caterham can fit 8 coaches too, and Whyteleafe can apparently take 7 coaches. There's plenty of room for Platform extensions too, the only people I can see opposing it is the local residents who live behind the railway especially between Kenley and Whyteleafe.
455804 is now fully modified.