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I'm not sure that would help in the situation described.
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Possible plans for Edinburgh Waverley station?
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Is this the TP services to Liverpool via the ECML (if/when they start)? Because they tend to keep the Manchester services in the west side of the station.
I would expect that a TPE or XC will in future stop at the 11 end of the 7/11 platform, which won't be needed for the LNER trains, such as the one shown in an earlier post. This morning the arrival at around 10.30, a class 91, used the 19 side of the station, while QS LL trains were using 10 and 11, and VTWC was in one of the sub platforms.
Once the barricades are down, the 6-7 platform will be plenty wide enough.
Once the barricades are down, the 6-7 platform will be plenty wide enough.
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I think you're probably right about the hoardings, although they need to be ready for a sudden two way influx of the sort I described.
The 1812 to Manchester Airport finds itself in P7 from time to time, I've caught it from there a couple of times in the last two months or so. It's planned to go from P14 as I recall, and it's exactly this sort of last minute switch that could cause a problem.
Like I say, I'm sure they've thought about it and it's fine!
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Had a walk through Waverley today to check out the new platforms and I noticed that platform 12 has not been completed. It’s over a year since it was put into operation and the area around the buffer stops remains incomplete with boarding up??
I think (from conversation on this thread) that the plan is to gate 6, 7, 11 and 12. I would assume they're waiting until 5&6 are complete so that they can do it all in one go.
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That makes sense, thanks
Interesting that they are leaving 5 out of the gating. I can’t see why that wouldn’t be desirable or possible.
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P5 would need to have a long barrier dividing it from the walkway around the main building, and I suspect that barrier would have to get involved with gating P4. They've maybe decided that the work involved would be disproportionate?
I don't see how a platform 5 gate line, of sufficient size to cope with a full intercity service could easily be fitted at the west end of the platform, particularly if the walkway to platform 4 (and the LNER lounge) is maintained.
A combined platform 4/5 gate line would probably work however this would have to be passed the station building resulting in arriving passengers towards the front of the train having to backtrack when leaving the station (except through the Carlton Road exit).
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Just to reiterate, I'm repeating something I think I read earlier in this thread, I don't have any gen on this and I could be misremembering. Given that they generally aren't keen on gating the LNER departures anyway I would have thought the plan was probably to run the London terminators into platform 4 for preference, which would save the need for a long and unwieldy barrier.
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You mean 5 and not 4 don't you - 4's where the North Berwicks go from?
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It seems to vary, trains to North Berwick from Edinburgh are booked from Platforms 8, 7, 4, 3 ,2 and 1 so not booked a specific platform but that may change once these new platforms are in use.
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One thing of note is that the new crossover and signalling to allow access from Platform 10 to the central Mound tunnel will shorten the usable length of Platform 11. Today it's long enough for a full 2+9 ICEC set but it'll lost a bit of length at the western end. Since the full-length ICEC trains will have use of 5 and 6 that won't be an issue any more. Therefore we probably won't see the joy of full-length ICEC services taking up 6, 7 and 11 while there's an 8-car E&G service in 12, all accessed via a single set of barriers. The extension of 10 to 260m long is also proposed in the Route Study, but it wouldn't be a first choice for terminating services given there's only one stair and lift to access it.
I can’t see why any gate for 6 et al couldn’t be used for 5 as well. Anyway, we’ll find out soon enough.
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7 is the existing platform which is continuous with 11. 5 and 6 are the new full-length bay platforms being built for ICEC services to terminate. 6 is on the opposite side of the same platform 'peninsula' as 7, just as 12 is with 11. This 'peninsula' is still connected on the ground to the rest of the concourse via a small 'isthmus' around and underneath the pedestrian bridge that comes from Market Street and goes across to the Waverley Steps. The gateline will be located on this 'isthmus' so that it blocks access to 6, 7, 11 and 12. 5 will be accessible directly from the main concourse and from the ground to the southern side of the central booking office building. There will not be that much width available between the southern wall of the booking office and the edge of platform 5 for a barrier, let alone a gate, so it's not practical to add a ticket barrier. That isn't a major problem for long-distance services to London since ticket checks onboard are guaranteed to occur and more passengers will be carrying large items of luggage. Platforms 11 and 12 are often blocked by ticket inspectors today because they're often used for E&G and other suburban-like services where ticket barriers are worthwhile.
The 6, 7, 11, 12 'peninsula' may later become an island once there is a requirement for more through platforms. Platforms 12 and 6 are designed deliberately in-line so that they can be joined up in future. Platform 5 can likewise be joined up with a rebuilt 13 if the southern ramp is demolished.
Not doubting this for a moment, but what future services would require more though platforms?
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Long dual-occupancy through platforms give you more flexibility in timetabling, even if they're not used for trains to run through as a proper passenger service. There's always going to be an imbalance in train numbers between the east and west approaches and the through platforms provide an opportunity to use the eastern side of the station to serve trains coming in from the west. For instance, when 5/6 are joined to 12/13, you could run one full-length train from the west straight through into 5/6 followed immediately after by another full-length train into 12/13. Either you just use the platform as an extremely long bay platform, or you run the train out to the east to the depot or a turnback like at Abbeyhill for the return journey. There are a few cases of trains coming in and officially terminating in a through platform, before making up a service through the other way. When that's the case, it doesn't matter if the train sits around for a while before continuing, while it won't then be clogging up the platforms or station throat.
Thanks for the clarification on the gate position which highlights why including 5 would be a challenge.
And probably pointless as you could walk to the main concourse via platform 2.
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You could, but cutting off circulation on the south side of the main building wouldn't be a good idea. It would restrict access to the Market Street door for those arriving at P3 and P4, and make the First Class Lounge less accessible. Waverley needs an open walkway round all four sides of the ticket hall.
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These platform works should be finished soon however would they be in service before May?
They could do with tidying up that collection of Platform 11 Stop markers! are there any other stop positions, in that direction, anywhere along the platform? If not, surely a "S ALL" marker would be appropriate? At the very least the Scotrail HST one seems to be superfluous if all other Scotrail DMU and EMU services are to stop there regardless of formation length
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As a point of interest Waverley roof was replaced in 1997, I was the contractors project manager for the project . It was a contractors design and replace contract. Railtrack wanted to replace all the timbers in the roof, but I was against it. I had a survey done of the main roof timbers, and the results were good, so I had the existing timber members injected with a preservative. The existing timber was in absolutely first in class condition, and should last another 150 years, I think we only replaced about a dozen sections.
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