LeylandLen
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Thanks for that. I am more interested in any changes to Virgin on WCML.Are there to be any radical changes or just the usual tweaks ?
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May 2019 timetable changes
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Thanks for that. I am more interested in any changes to Virgin on WCML.Are there to be any radical changes or just the usual tweaks ?
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Virgin's times are now showing. I've not noticed any major changes to the current timetable.
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Another thing I have just noticed, on RealTimeTrains, is that the unit which operates the 2340 London Waterloo - Yeovil Junction on Friday and Saturday nights will overnight at Yeovil Junction instead of working ECS back to Salisbury. Either they have a driver living in the area or are getting him / her a taxi to get back to Salisbury.
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Andy Pacer
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Interestingly (to me at least) I hadn't realised that there is currently a through trip in the opposite direction, 0710 from Gloucester through to Stansted Airport.
I see the Guildford to Farnham trains are now in the system
These depart Guildford at 23 and 53 minutes past each hour and arrive into Guildford at 28 and 58, although the 7:28 arrival is retained to 7:26 as there is a Reading departure at 7:27 from platform 8.
I previously make an incorrect comment and its placed with this.
I see the Reading train will cords the path of the Farnham train, hence why it needs to arrive forts. I owndrr how reliable it will be in arriving at 7:26. There is only a minute.
From time to time the 8:07 Guildford to Waterloo is delayed by the 8:06 arrival from Waterloo, again they cross paths.
These depart Guildford at 23 and 53 minutes past each hour and arrive into Guildford at 28 and 58, although the 7:28 arrival is retained to 7:26 as there is a Reading departure at 7:27 from platform 8.
I previously make an incorrect comment and its placed with this.
I see the Reading train will cords the path of the Farnham train, hence why it needs to arrive forts. I owndrr how reliable it will be in arriving at 7:26. There is only a minute.
From time to time the 8:07 Guildford to Waterloo is delayed by the 8:06 arrival from Waterloo, again they cross paths.
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Was there anything that needed to be fixed especially?
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Hey, does anyone know if a new Crewe to Birmingham via Alsager service will be introduced in May 2019? I think it was originally intended for December 2018 before the chaos!
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Yes it will. There's a dedicated West Midlands thread here.
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Yes - here is a link to all the southbound services on a weekday. Most of the services will physically attach to one or more further units at Birmingham before becoming a service to London Euston - it is a through service in the timetable. However, it will be vastly quicker to change at Stafford or Crewe onto the fast service to London, as the via Birmingham services call at far more stations and also go via Northampton, where, owing to historical reasons, they wait for nearly 15 minutes.
Is their a restaurant in Northampton where passengers can avail themselves of some food prior to the train departing once more? That would be really historical.
Regarding TPE Liverpool to Scotland via Carlisle. Times are showing from May but in TPE publicity and on the new route maps on TPE 185s this route is shown as starting December 2019. Can anyone confirm if the service is starting in May? Or are the trains already loaded just there temporarily (as more than 12 weeks before) and set to be removed and put back in in December. Just seems odd that TPE have recently replaced the route maps with a December start date.
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Been previously mentioned in the TPE thread that the Liverpool-Glasgow will initially be operated by 185s, 2 will be required .If there is a delay to 2 * Mk5 rakes entering traffic, or 185s on hire to Northern not being handed back then the new services won't run .
iphone76
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I've noticed a few changes on Sundays on the GEML in real train times.
Tfl Rail moves to a regular 4tph all stations Shenfield to Liverpool Street service instead of the current 2tph Gidea Park / 2tph Shenfield split. This means Maryland now gets a regular 4tph service as the previous Gidea Park trains will no longer skip.
Linked to this, the Sunday GA Southend Services are speeded up and miss Brentwood, Harold Wood and Gidea Park. These station stops are replaced by the previous Gidea Park trains which are extended to Shenfield.
Mainline services are also speeded up on the London to Shenfield stretch on Sundays.
Of course, due to the current engineering works it'll be interesting to see when a weekend service actually resumes on the Southern GEML.
Tfl Rail moves to a regular 4tph all stations Shenfield to Liverpool Street service instead of the current 2tph Gidea Park / 2tph Shenfield split. This means Maryland now gets a regular 4tph service as the previous Gidea Park trains will no longer skip.
Linked to this, the Sunday GA Southend Services are speeded up and miss Brentwood, Harold Wood and Gidea Park. These station stops are replaced by the previous Gidea Park trains which are extended to Shenfield.
Mainline services are also speeded up on the London to Shenfield stretch on Sundays.
Of course, due to the current engineering works it'll be interesting to see when a weekend service actually resumes on the Southern GEML.
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Yes there is now a four track railway available after 09.00, which permits that speed up. However there will be short term planning alterations to come. Testing the Pudding Mill Lane signalling interface for Crossrail on Sundays and engineering work in Bishopsgate tunnel on Saturdays and Sundays throughout much of the summer leads to changes, but the GA GEML trains will mostly get to Liverpool St, if not Stratford.
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Online now with additional information to indicate relative database size by operator;
https://live-departures.info/rail/timetable-comparison/
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VT390,
I agree with you about using HST's on Cardiff-Portsmouth, but I read somewhere that the reason they can't do so is due to a weight restriction on a bridge (possibly at Hamble-le-Rice?)
The only way of making Cardiff-Portsmouth a HST service, it would seem, would be to run the service via Chandlers Ford and Eastleigh and thence to Fareham - essentially bypassing Southampton.
If this bridge could be strengthened, then definitely it would make sense to use them on Cardiff-Portsmouth. I'd also put them on Cardiff-Nottingham, if possible, as I gather that some of the 170s are going to the Heart of Wales line.
I agree with you about using HST's on Cardiff-Portsmouth, but I read somewhere that the reason they can't do so is due to a weight restriction on a bridge (possibly at Hamble-le-Rice?)
The only way of making Cardiff-Portsmouth a HST service, it would seem, would be to run the service via Chandlers Ford and Eastleigh and thence to Fareham - essentially bypassing Southampton.
If this bridge could be strengthened, then definitely it would make sense to use them on Cardiff-Portsmouth. I'd also put them on Cardiff-Nottingham, if possible, as I gather that some of the 170s are going to the Heart of Wales line.
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Also, I believe that mention was made earlier about Worcester Foregate Street.
My understanding (even as a 'noob' here) is that it is not going to close, as it's an important station for services to Hereford, Birmingham and stations to the South West. London Paddington trains from Hereford and Great Malvern could by-pass it, but there is definitely enough traffic to keep the station open and plus it is handier for the City Centre than Shrub Hill.
My understanding (even as a 'noob' here) is that it is not going to close, as it's an important station for services to Hereford, Birmingham and stations to the South West. London Paddington trains from Hereford and Great Malvern could by-pass it, but there is definitely enough traffic to keep the station open and plus it is handier for the City Centre than Shrub Hill.
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It is the Greater Anglia 170s that are transferring to TfW for routes such as the HoWL.
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Why would you ever want to use 40-45 years old HSTs on Cardiff/Pompey when much newer vehicles are available? One of the main reasons for the current poor performance on this route is station dwell times caused by end door stock (currently class 158s). This route has got progressively busy over the years (like TPE) and also like TPE there is considerable intermediate churn in this case at Bristol, Bath, Salisbury and Southampton as a number of examples. The end to end journeys are less than the intermediate connectivity ones.
And just think of the station delays associated with introducing slam doors on a route that hasn’t had them for years. You may say fit plug doors but you’ll be at the back of a long queue for this!
Trains with 1/3 and 2/3 doors will considerably improve the performance on this route; dwells at Bath and Southampton in particular just cannot be met despite them being decent dwells. TPE found the same benefit when 185s replaces 158s.
HSTs are also well past life-expiry as proven with how difficult it has been to fit plug doors to them, after nearly 2 years Cross Country still only has one set complete, the vehicles need so much in the way of corrosion repairs it is a thankless task.
And just think of the station delays associated with introducing slam doors on a route that hasn’t had them for years. You may say fit plug doors but you’ll be at the back of a long queue for this!
Trains with 1/3 and 2/3 doors will considerably improve the performance on this route; dwells at Bath and Southampton in particular just cannot be met despite them being decent dwells. TPE found the same benefit when 185s replaces 158s.
HSTs are also well past life-expiry as proven with how difficult it has been to fit plug doors to them, after nearly 2 years Cross Country still only has one set complete, the vehicles need so much in the way of corrosion repairs it is a thankless task.
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Also any HST vehicles with short swing link couplings are banned from third rail routes
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You’ve got that the wrong way round...
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Yet they are deemed good enough for the new Cardiff-Penzance service?
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Very much a stop-gap position bought around by cascade delays. In Cornwall especially there is less passenger churn at the stations like there is on Cardiff/Pompey so end doors less of a problem. Also they can work out of a depot which has overhauled them since they were introduced and originally had no future.
The Gloster-Stansted has run for several years now. It detached from the back of an early morning NSt-CF when I last caught it.
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but South TPE services seem to be booked to call at East Didsbury...but only westbound (well southbound at that point). Anyone know the rationale behind this, it seems odd to have a service with different calling patterns on different directions!
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The call at East Didsbury may be to compensate for the current xx:17 departure from Piccadilly, which in the new timetable should go through towards Stockport
I thought it might be something like that...still seems a quite odd to have a one-way service.
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