LNR new WCML timetable, May 2019 (in open data feeds)

Silverlinky · 7 Jun 2019

sufian123 said:
319s can do it. No one signs them beyond Northampton. They are based far as Northampton. None at Coventry/Crewe/new st sign them.

Nobody beyond Bletchley signs them.....no Northampton traincrew either Drivers or Conductors sign 319's. They do run as far as Northampton (crewed by Bletchley traincrew) and are maintained at Kings Heath.

They are route cleared as far as Rugby, that route clearance dates back to the Connex days when the units had DC shoes. To get cleared for other lines there would have to be test runs and safety cases, risk assessments and suchlike....and that's not going to happen when they will all leave the franchise in the next 12-18 months anyway.

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Bletchleyite · 7 Jun 2019

Ianno87 said:
Surely the basic operation at Northampton hasn't got *that* much more complex? Or is at a case whereby if something gets terminated at Northampton, previously all it was doing was missing a trip to Brum and back, but now it means a missing service for Liverpool/Rugeley/Stoke and back a few hours later, so not keeping drivers in the right place any more?

Yes, this would be the concern - if you turn it short, you're making a mess of a much more complex set of diagrams.

STKKK46 · 7 Jun 2019

Silverlinky said:
Nobody beyond Bletchley signs them.....no Northampton traincrew either Drivers or Conductors sign 319's. They do run as far as Northampton (crewed by Bletchley traincrew) and are maintained at Kings Heath.

They are route cleared as far as Rugby, that route clearance dates back to the Connex days when the units had DC shoes. To get cleared for other lines there would have to be test runs and safety cases, risk assessments and suchlike....and that's not going to happen when they will all leave the franchise in the next 12-18 months anyway.

If anyone could clear up what ran the below Class 5 please...

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S45469/2019/06/07/advanced

sufian123 · 7 Jun 2019

STKKK46 said:
If anyone could clear up what ran the below Class 5 please...

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S45469/2019/06/07/advanced

It’s a 350. Meant to be 8 cars set must have left as 4 cars from Euston. The other set now went empty stock to Crewe from Bletchley. To be in correct 350s for Saturday morning. They been having issues on Trent valley again within crews and sets.

sd0733 · 8 Jun 2019

sufian123 said:
It’s a 350. Meant to be 8 cars set must have left as 4 cars from Euston. The other set now went empty stock to Crewe from Bletchley. To be in correct 350s for Saturday morning. They been having issues on Trent valley again within crews and sets.

It was a 319 i saw it passing my train.

sufian123 · 8 Jun 2019

sd0733 said:
It was a 319 i saw it passing my train.

It won’t be LNR crew then.

STKKK46 · 8 Jun 2019

sufian123 said:
It won’t be LNR crew then.

Yes it will.

sufian123 · 8 Jun 2019

STKKK46 said:
Yes it will.

Nope. They don’t sign it beyond Northampton. Unless they had a instructor with them.

STKKK46 · 8 Jun 2019

sufian123 said:
Nope. They don’t sign it beyond Northampton. Unless they had a instructor with them.

Bingo.

sufian123 · 8 Jun 2019

STKKK46 said:
Bingo.

thanks makes sense now. I never seen one beyond nmp. that would’ve been nice to see.

sd0733 · 8 Jun 2019

sufian123 said:
thanks makes sense now. I never seen one beyond nmp. that would’ve been nice to see.

They seem to be semi regular visitors to crewe the past few months for work at Arriva. Unsure if itll carry on now they're all in traffic or if further overhauls will be done.

sufian123 · 8 Jun 2019

sd0733 said:
They seem to be semi regular visitors to crewe the past few months for work at Arriva. Unsure if itll carry on now they're all in traffic or if further overhauls will be done.

Fair enough. Wait and see really.

43055 · 8 Jun 2019

STKKK46 said:
If anyone could clear up what ran the below Class 5 please...

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S45469/2019/06/07/advanced

sd0733 said:
It was a 319 i saw it passing my train.

Could it be the 319 for the Crewe depot open day today.

STKKK46 · 8 Jun 2019

43055 said:
Could it be the 319 for the Crewe depot open day today.

That’s the one! Why they sent a 319 who knows but I had heard it was going up and saw it at Nuneaton on the way.

Proves clearance...

Idon'tKnow · 9 Jun 2019

The Trent valley line cancellations and part cancellations are unacceptable. Does anyone know how long the staff shortages on the TV at weekends, especially Sundays will last? 2 trains cancelled in a row on an hourly service is really poor.

sufian123 · 9 Jun 2019

Idon'tKnow said:
The Trent valley line cancellations and part cancellations are unacceptable. Does anyone know how long the staff shortages on the TV at weekends, especially Sundays will last? 2 trains cancelled in a row on an hourly service is really poor.

I agree I saw lots of ecs to Crewe today. I was at Nuneaton.

sd0733 · 9 Jun 2019

The Trent valley shortages on a weekend are caused because Northampton now have the lions share of the work on the trent rather than Crewe and far too few Northampton crew sign it.
We are covering some jobs from Crewe for them but theres a limit to how many sparss we have but I've not seen anyone learning the trent for weeks as they keep getting taken off route learning to cover uncovered weekday jobs

700007 · 10 Jun 2019

Why was this changed from Crewe to Northampton in the first place?

sd0733 · 10 Jun 2019

700007 said:
Why was this changed from Crewe to Northampton in the first place?

Crewe work all the Crewe-brum via Stoke jobs and also sign Euston now but it meant we lost most of our work down there, madness!

The Planner · 10 Jun 2019

STKKK46 said:
Definitely cleared. See below.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S45469/2019/06/07/advanced

Someone was a bit naughty with that, 319s aren't clear north of Rugby in the Sectional Appendix.

matt · 10 Jun 2019

The Planner said:
Someone was a bit naughty with that, 319s aren't clear north of Rugby in the Sectional Appendix.

Under power or dragged as there have been various workings to and from Wolverton to the north.

Silverlinky · 10 Jun 2019

The Planner said:
Someone was a bit naughty with that, 319s aren't clear north of Rugby in the Sectional Appendix.

Have you got an up to date Sectional Appendix? The one I have shows 319's are not permitted south of West London Junction either....but they actually run into Euston!

On the 319 run above, strange! 319's are only signed by Bletchley Drivers, no Northampton, Birmingham, Wolves, Crewe or any other depot's men sign them, yet no Bletchley Drivers sign North of Rugby on the Trent Valley Lines, or north of Birmingham New Street the other way. So there must have been some sort of spot hire arrangement to find a driver(s) who took it to Crewe.

Silverlinky · 10 Jun 2019

sd0733 said:
The Trent valley shortages on a weekend are caused because Northampton now have the lions share of the work on the trent rather than Crewe and far too few Northampton crew sign it.
We are covering some jobs from Crewe for them but theres a limit to how many sparss we have but I've not seen anyone learning the trent for weeks as they keep getting taken off route learning to cover uncovered weekday jobs

These shortages are spreading to the West Coast services outside of the Crewe work too. A few services cancelled today due to a shortage of conductors. Drivers running units around ECS to keep stock in the right place......and maybe to fiddle the figures a bit!!
I know of one driver who took an 8 car set ECS Northampton to Euston last week, then brought a different 8 car set back ECS an hour later. Both services cancelled due to "a shortage of available traincrew"

matt · 10 Jun 2019

I spotted yesterday a Euston to Crewe via Northampton and the Trent Valley ran ecs from Northampton to Crewe and then from Crewe to Euston empty.

Aictos · 10 Jun 2019

matt said:
I spotted yesterday a Euston to Crewe via Northampton and the Trent Valley ran ecs from Northampton to Crewe and then from Crewe to Euston empty.

Umm not sure if just me but running a set ECS from Northampton to Euston via Crewe sounds like a terrible use of resources!

Why not just terminate at Northampton then send the set/sets concerned onto the depot so they’re out of the way then send them ECS to Euston later on to reform the next service?

Unless I’ve misunderstood your post?

Pumbaa · 11 Jun 2019

The service continues to be an absolute farce, not helped by various infrastructure issues that have cropped up over the last week.

Bletchleyite · 11 Jun 2019

Pumbaa said:
The service continues to be an absolute farce, not helped by various infrastructure issues that have cropped up over the last week.

Yep. Fortunately my connection was a Southern yesterday. It's coming to something when that has become the one to rely upon.

87015 · 11 Jun 2019

Bletchleyite said:
Yep. Fortunately my connection was a Southern yesterday. It's coming to something when that has become the one to rely upon.

Not today.

Bletchleyite · 11 Jun 2019

87015 said:
Not today.

It's not perfect (I'm not suggesting GTR are presently angels) but at the moment I'd rely on it over any LNR service other than an early morning one starting at Bletchley straight off the sidings (and there's now one fewer of those with the 0712ish starting back from Northampton).

geoffk · 11 Jun 2019

Yesterday two late-running LNR Liverpool services were turned back at South Parkway and restarted from there. It's five today so far, and one turned at Runcorn. Did this happen before the May timetable change?

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