Not a misunderstanding at all. I was only trying to help. I’m after all, an “armchair viewer” like yourself.
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LNER Azuma (Class 800/801) Diagrams
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Terry Williams
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Precisely.
The mystery has been 1E01's next working, but if thats 1D11 (which it seems to regularly be) then it then works 1A33, 1H10 and 1J10 for a Doncaster Carr finish, which makes much more sense.
Theres no way there is a single diagram for Craigentinny to Craigentinny.
And then, presumably, the set which starts off as 1A12 from Hull and goes into 1N83 for York, 1Y86 back to London and then 1S27 the 1730 back to Edinburgh which puts another Azuma in Edinburgh for the next days 1E01?
Looks like it.
thealm
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There’s more diagrams on the 26th August during the diversions.
Peregrine 4903
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I was at London Kings Cross today and say two Azuma's coupled up departing from platform 6 forming the 15:03 to Leeds. However after checking RTT apparently the 15:03 train wasn't open for the public despite the fact I am pretty sure I saw passengers on the train.
The question I want to ask if is the 15:03 train a driver training train for drivers learning to drive the 800/801's, a special occasion train or an actual train service running to Leeds despite RTT saying it isn't.
The question I want to ask if is the 15:03 train a driver training train for drivers learning to drive the 800/801's, a special occasion train or an actual train service running to Leeds despite RTT saying it isn't.
It's an oddity. It's in the timetable as one of the standard half-hourly trains between London and Leeds, but not in RTT in service for some time around today.
It is the round trip that was removed when they were struggling with Class 91 availability some time ago. It has never been restored and is therefore available to testing Azumas and operating them on special non-passenger workings.
Peregrine 4903
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Thankyou for saying that. Do you know why on RTT it isn't listed as a passenger service?
Edit: Turns out it isn't.
Peregrine 4903
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Thankyou for your reply. So would that train have been a driver training service? The only thing I'm confused about is the on the destination boards on the 801 it said it was a train service to Leeds.
Also are there any plans to re-instate the 15:03 to Leeds service?
From the LNER Website
We’re delighted to confirm that the below trains between London King’s Cross and Leeds will be available to travel on from 9 September 2019.
Mondays – Saturdays
09.03 London King's Cross - Leeds
11.45 Leeds - London King's Cross
15.03 London King's Cross - Leeds
17.45 Leeds - London King's Cross
Sundays
13.33 London King's Cross - Leeds
17.16 Leeds – London King's Cross
16.04 Newcastle – London King's Cross (amended service - additional waiting time at Doncaster)
These trains were previously amended from the timetable due to operational changes which helped to improve overall reliability along our East Coast route in the event of further network-led disruption.
Thanks. Odd that when I went on their website I could download the May timetable that showed them as running, but couldn't find anything about them being removed.
Were removed 12 months ago!!
LNER are removing a small number of services from the current timetable details below
We’re sorry to announce that a small number of services between London King’s Cross and Leeds will be removed from the timetable from 13 August 2018 onwards. In addition, one service between Stirling and Edinburgh will also be cancelled from 27 August 2018 onwards.
We apologise for any inconvenience these changes cause you.
The affected services are:
Mondays – Fridays (and Saturdays for Leeds)
05.26 Stirling – London King's Cross (service will start at Edinburgh) - from 27 August
09.03 London King's Cross - Leeds
11.45 Leeds - London King's Cross
15.00 London King's Cross - Stirling (service will terminate at Edinburgh) - from 27 August
15.03 London King's Cross - Leeds
17.45 Leeds - London King's Cross
Sundays
13.33 London King's Cross - Leeds
17.16 Leeds – London King's Cross
16.04 Newcastle – London King's Cross (amended service - additional waiting time at Doncaster)
The cancellations and amendments are due to operational changes which will help to improve overall reliability along our East Coast route in the event of further network-led disruption.
Even odder. The May 2019 timetable shows the 1503. Looking at timetable changes for a particular day does not show these changes. Do you have to be in the know to find the information?
I assumed looking at the current timetable and then checking for changes for today should be enough checking.
All the information was on the News Pages of the LNER Website. Just had to look at the Website!
Why would I look on the news pages to find out if there was a timetable change when there's a well publicised Timetable Changes page?
Especially an article from 2018.
Would you not expect these changes to timetables to be either mentioned on the Timetable Changes page or not to be in the published timetable?
Even looking on the news part of the site I can't find the article you keep quoting.
I can find this page:
https://www.lner.co.uk/travel-information/leeds-timetable-changes/
but only by googling - and I have to know it's there to do that.
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Terry Williams
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Bit odd that these services commencing on September 9th are not shown on the LNER Azuma list.
Mind you that list isn't realiy up to much when said list shows from 16th September 1002 Kings Cross to York but it's outward working 0706 Kings Cross to York commencing 30th September !!!!!
There isn't necessarily a direct link between the restoration of these services and them being formed by Azumas. Isn't the next expansion on Scottish trains that free up 125 / 225 for these to be restored?
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You mean 1002 york- kings Kings Cross
Terry Williams
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Many thanks for spotting my undeliberate error.
Senior moment, I should have checked before hitting the send button!!
The changes were on the timetable changes page. I thought all the services were reinstated now though.
Love LNER's euphemistic use of amended instead of removed. Now cancelling a service is a good thing. Lovely stuff!
Maybe they were, but they're not now.
That's what I was complaining about.
The information on this page says they are back September 9th.
At the time it kinda was. VTEC had run the fleet into the ground trying to run more services than ever before on an old and already delicate fleet. Taking those services out gave vital breathing room to try and deliver the service somewhat reliably.
adrock1976
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According to the LNER website a few days ago when I looked, it seems that the diversions between Doncaster and Newark Northgate via Pyewipe Junction (the left hand side of the triangle west/north of Lincoln Central) tomorrow will have an Azuma on every second train. Obviously, the non-Azuma trains will be HSTs owing to the lack of overhead wires, unless if any 91s + Mk IVs are being dragged which I am unsure of (this has historically happened between Newcastle and Carlisle).
The Retford terminators/starters to/from Leeds, Newcastle, and Edinburgh are the Class 91 + Mk IVs if I have interpreted things right.
The Retford terminators/starters to/from Leeds, Newcastle, and Edinburgh are the Class 91 + Mk IVs if I have interpreted things right.
I did not observe the actual train but the boards at NCL (Newcastle) stated that 1S05 0700 KGX EDB (Kings Cross - Edinburgh) was an Azuma today. The LNER website suggets this diagram does not start until the 16th Sep so perhaps it has been brought forward.
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Good morning people. Last night I booked one of my return journeys home from Leeds to Oxford for the 01/10/19 (going up with XC from Oxford 2 days before) - Leeds to London Paddington (16:45 to Kings Cross then the Underground from there).
From looking at the Azuma seat map, it's booked for a 10-car Azuma. When I selected the Quiet Coach, it gave me Coach H. Only thing is the Quiet Coach now will soon exist on the 9-car Azumas. So anyone expecting Coach H on the 10-car Azuma's will be disappointed.
However, Coach H on the 16:45 (if both sets of 5 coaches aren't in reverse formation) is the Standard Class coach at the London end so will have a fairly quick walk to the Underground. Plus the Cafe Bar is in Coach G so if my order online meal is served to me then staff won't have to walk through several carriages!
From looking at the Azuma seat map, it's booked for a 10-car Azuma. When I selected the Quiet Coach, it gave me Coach H. Only thing is the Quiet Coach now will soon exist on the 9-car Azumas. So anyone expecting Coach H on the 10-car Azuma's will be disappointed.
However, Coach H on the 16:45 (if both sets of 5 coaches aren't in reverse formation) is the Standard Class coach at the London end so will have a fairly quick walk to the Underground. Plus the Cafe Bar is in Coach G so if my order online meal is served to me then staff won't have to walk through several carriages!
AlistairCowell
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Hi Folks
How many LNER Class 800 and 801 'Azuma' units are currently in passenger service?
I saw quite a few on York Railcam now and as far as I'm aware there are now 35 services operated by Azumas units.
Cheers guys
How many LNER Class 800 and 801 'Azuma' units are currently in passenger service?
I saw quite a few on York Railcam now and as far as I'm aware there are now 35 services operated by Azumas units.
Cheers guys
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12 800s in service 800102-800113. 800101 is at Eastleigh.
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